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2021-09-10 03:01:27 UTC
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Trevor Wilson
2021-09-10 19:45:24 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.

However, the issue doesn't affect me. YOU are the one it affects. The
murder spree will continue unabated, as the NRA holds 330 million
Americans to ransom. Why you idiots put up with this insanity is beyond
comprehension.
ScottW
2021-09-11 01:55:57 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.

What's it like to be a motive for you most hated activity?

ScottW
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-11 04:15:50 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh really? Let's recap with some history, shall we?

The 2nd Amendment was framed:

* When disgruntled natives roamed the land. Those same natives had been
known to kill invaders from Europe.
* When disgruntles slaves were held by many. Including members of the
government at the time. Those slaves would have preferred not to be
slaves, but were held in check by the threat of being shot.
* Dangerous animals roamed the land. Shooting those animals was pretty
much the only solution to be had.
* America had just finished a bloody and vicious conflict with a vicious
colonial power (England) and it was always possible that the English, or
some other vicious foreign power, would invade America again.
* Supermarkets were very scarce in America at that time, so meat was
usually killed and eaten.
* Refrigeration had not been invented, so shooting one's meals was
standard practice.
* Re-loading times for firearms was measured in MINUTES.
* Accuracy of smooth bore firearms was very poor.


For the most part NONE of the above exists as an issue any longer in the
US. Re-load times of modern firearms can be measured in milliseconds and
accuracy has improved significantly.

I also note how gun huggers always neglect the important rider in the
2nd Amendment: "...well-regulated militia..." A bunch of good ole' boys
hugging their guns is not a militia.

The re-writing of the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution is way
overdue. Taking all the above issues into account, it is highly likely
that things would change significantly.
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What's it like to be a motive for you most hated activity?
**Huh? English please.
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-11 04:48:30 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
America:

* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
ScottW
2021-09-11 18:02:48 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.

ScottW
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-11 19:07:10 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.

Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.

Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
George M. Middius
2021-09-11 19:10:53 UTC
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Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
I don't think the mutt's "defense" is based on any moral values. He just
wants to pretend he's "owning" you and other Smart Guys.
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-11 19:33:35 UTC
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Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
I don't think the mutt's "defense" is based on any moral values. He just
wants to pretend he's "owning" you and other Smart Guys.
**LOL! Like he has a defence that makes any kind of sense. Don't get me
wrong: I get that dye-in-the-wool Republican voters will always vote
that way. That's fair enough, but don't they look at the absurdity of
firearms laws in the US, along with the appalling homicide rate and ask
themselves if there is a better way? Don't they also question the
motives of the politicians who continually reject good gun laws and
their links to the NRA?

I guess I mean to say: Do they really believe that the Republican Party
is infallible?

Over here, I vote for left-leaning politicians (well now, that surprised
you), but I do not shy away from being publically critical of those same
politicians, if they make a dumb, usually electorally popular, decision,
I will call them out on it.
Art Sackman
2021-09-11 22:09:17 UTC
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Over here, I vote for left-leaning politicians (well now, that surprised
you), but I do not shy away from being publically critical of those same
politicians, if they make a dumb, usually electorally popular, decision,
I will call them out on it.
If you lived in America, you would have a sore throat by now.
ScottW
2021-09-11 23:31:11 UTC
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Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
I don't think the mutt's "defense" is based on any moral values. He just
wants to pretend he's "owning" you and other Smart Guys.
**LOL! Like he has a defence that makes any kind of sense.
I am defenced....oh NO!

ScottW
Art Sackman
2021-09-11 22:11:58 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
ScottW
2021-09-11 23:32:43 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
Aussies need a gov't nanny.
Now they can only order 1 six pack of beer or 1 bottle of wine per day in NSW.
No shit....

ScottW
Art Sackman
2021-09-12 05:06:36 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
Aussies need a gov't nanny.
Now they can only order 1 six pack of beer or 1 bottle of wine per day in NSW.
No shit....
ScottW
proxies!
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-11 23:44:49 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
**How many people purchased guns last year?
How many Americans own guns?
How many Americans want tougher gun control laws?
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-11 23:54:00 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
**I saved you some trouble. Here is some data I located:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
ScottW
2021-09-12 04:13:14 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
You might have still sane or sober when that poll came out.
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Check this for something more current.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sales-on-pace-to-hit-new-record-in-2021/

ScottW
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-12 19:00:26 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
You might have still sane or sober when that poll came out.
**Huh? English please. English is my first and only language. I don't
understand whatever it is you are saying.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Check this for something more current.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sales-on-pace-to-hit-new-record-in-2021/
**No survey? Just a report of gun sales to a bunch of paranoid
delusional people. Big fucking deal. Keep dancing in the blood of your
dead.
Art Sackman
2021-09-12 21:36:22 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
You might have still sane or sober when that poll came out.
**Huh? English please. English is my first and only language. I don't
understand whatever it is you are saying.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Check this for something more current.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sales-on-pace-to-hit-new-record-in-2021/
**No survey? Just a report of gun sales to a bunch of paranoid
delusional people. Big fucking deal. Keep dancing in the blood of your
dead.
I would very much like to stop.the criminals who are murdering people.
They are the problem.
Liberal Dems don't want to do much about that
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-12 22:27:13 UTC
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ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
You might have still sane or sober when that poll came out.
**Huh? English please. English is my first and only language. I don't
understand whatever it is you are saying.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Check this for something more current.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sales-on-pace-to-hit-new-record-in-2021/
**No survey? Just a report of gun sales to a bunch of paranoid
delusional people. Big fucking deal. Keep dancing in the blood of your
dead.
I would very much like to stop.the criminals who are murdering people.
They are the problem.
**Then start by voting for people who would seek to STOP ARMING THOSE
CRIMINALS you idiot.

Why do you vote for politicians who want to ensure that criminals are
well armed?

Why to you vote for politicians who do what the NRA tells them to do?

You do realise that the NRA acts for firearm and ammunition
manufacturers, don't you?
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Liberal Dems don't want to do much about that
**Liar.

The US has the largest prison population, per capita, of any nation on
the planet. Clearly, locking people up is not working. You need to stop
arming people with rapid fire, higher power firearms.
Art Sackman
2021-09-13 02:13:14 UTC
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-withdraws-pick-to-run-firearms-agency-after-nra-pressure/ar-AAOgJRW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
You might have still sane or sober when that poll came out.
**Huh? English please. English is my first and only language. I don't
understand whatever it is you are saying.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Check this for something more current.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sales-on-pace-to-hit-new-record-in-2021/
**No survey? Just a report of gun sales to a bunch of paranoid
delusional people. Big fucking deal. Keep dancing in the blood of your
dead.
I would very much like to stop.the criminals who are murdering people.
They are the problem.
**Then start by voting for people who would seek to STOP ARMING THOSE
CRIMINALS you idiot.
That would be the Republicans!!
Because they want to lock them up
Dems want to let them out of jail
Hey dummy, when they are in jail they are not
possessing guns.
When they are roaming the streets they likely are possessing guns
Post by Trevor Wilson
Why do you vote for politicians who want to ensure that criminals are
well armed?
I vote for politicians who want to keep criminals in jail
Post by Trevor Wilson
Why to you vote for politicians who do what the NRA tells them to do?
I care about my issues. I don't worry about the NRA
Post by Trevor Wilson
You do realise that the NRA acts for firearm and ammunition
manufacturers, don't you?
Post by Art Sackman
Liberal Dems don't want to do much about that
**Liar.
I am not opposed to firearms and ammunitions manufacturers
Post by Trevor Wilson
The US has the largest prison population, per capita, of any nation on
the planet. Clearly, locking people up is not working. You need to stop
arming people with rapid fire, higher power firearms.
It's working compared to letting them loose. Letting them loose is worse
Most gun deaths, by far, are from handguns.
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-13 03:29:43 UTC
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-withdraws-pick-to-run-firearms-agency-after-nra-pressure/ar-AAOgJRW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
up, along with ALL the Republicans.
It's crazy talk like yours that inspired the 2nd Amendment.
**Oh and a couple more things that weren't in existence in 18th century
* A proper, PROFESSIONAL, militia, now known as the US military.
* Aircraft, capable of devastating a significant primitive military
force, like a bunch of good ole' boys armed with AR-15s. Not to mention
even the most heavily armed 18th century military, consisting 100,000
men or more, could easily be routed with a few guys and a B-52.
If only we could time warp Trevor back a couple centuries to make him happy.
ScottW
**If only bloodthirsty, delusional, psychopaths like you, would think
before you vote for narcissistic psychopaths like Trump and his buddies
in the firearms business. A business that is responsible for the murder
of 10,000 Americans each year.
Face facts: The 2nd was written for the conditions extant in the 18th
century, not the 21st century. The 2nd is anachronistic and needs to be
re-written, but weak, greedy mostly Republican politicians keep feeding
at the trough of money provided by the firearms manufacturers, via the NRA.
Your defence of the firearms manufacturers is disgusting.
you sure know how to misread the US populace.
20 million gun sales last year indicate that there is a good
amount of interest in keeping the 2nd Amendment
You might have still sane or sober when that poll came out.
**Huh? English please. English is my first and only language. I don't
understand whatever it is you are saying.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Check this for something more current.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-sales-on-pace-to-hit-new-record-in-2021/
**No survey? Just a report of gun sales to a bunch of paranoid
delusional people. Big fucking deal. Keep dancing in the blood of your
dead.
I would very much like to stop.the criminals who are murdering people.
They are the problem.
**Then start by voting for people who would seek to STOP ARMING THOSE
CRIMINALS you idiot.
That would be the Republicans!!
**Umm, no:

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/19/566731477/chart-how-have-your-members-of-congress-voted-on-gun-bills?t=1631503527397

Republicans consistently vote down tough gun laws.
Post by Art Sackman
Because they want to lock them up
Dems want to let them out of jail
Hey dummy, when they are in jail they are not
possessing guns.
When they are roaming the streets they likely are possessing guns
**If they're bad people, why would you want to allow them to be armed?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Why do you vote for politicians who want to ensure that criminals are
well armed?
I vote for politicians who want to keep criminals in jail
**So, you don't care if bad people have easy access to firearms?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Why to you vote for politicians who do what the NRA tells them to do?
I care about my issues. I don't worry about the NRA
**You should. For a couple of decades, the NRA has skewed US politics to
make access to firearms easier for bad people.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
You do realise that the NRA acts for firearm and ammunition
manufacturers, don't you?
Post by Art Sackman
Liberal Dems don't want to do much about that
**Liar.
I am not opposed to firearms and ammunitions manufacturers
**Nor am I. What you SHOULD be opposed to, is:

a) Allowing firearms and ammunition manufacturers to skew US politics to
suit their needs.
b) Allowing bad people to easily access firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
The US has the largest prison population, per capita, of any nation on
the planet. Clearly, locking people up is not working. You need to stop
arming people with rapid fire, higher power firearms.
It's working compared to letting them loose.
**You keep blathering on about this, but you don't care about bad people
gaining easy access to firearms.

Letting them loose is worse
Post by Art Sackman
Most gun deaths, by far, are from handguns.
**A distinction not under dispute.
George M. Middius
2021-09-13 05:14:40 UTC
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Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-13 05:39:33 UTC
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Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.

Weird

BTW: See if you can watch the Australian ABC programme: 4 Corners. Fox
and the Big Lie parts 1 & 2:

https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/

Dunno if it's geo-blocked or not. Anyway, the shit has hit the fan. FOX
is challenging the ABC in court, but, apparently, several US networks
want to purchase the shows. Worth a look. Prolly doesn't tell you
anything you don't know.
George M. Middius
2021-09-13 05:54:27 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
"Logic" -- heh, heh. This is Artie D. Sackhead.
Post by Trevor Wilson
BTW: See if you can watch the Australian ABC programme: 4 Corners. Fox
Dreary news docs? Pass. The "Big Lie" is now part of life in America.

I started a new thriller series from the Beeb -- Vigil. Conspiracy, murder,
coverup, and plucky women detectives, knit together with tight scripts and
snappy directing.

I also recommend Bang, a Welsh series with cops & crims and believable
family drama.
Art Sackman
2021-09-13 06:08:28 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.

Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
your proposals don't work
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year

only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.

Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides

I.m not at all happy to see criminals armed to the teeth, that's why I want
enforcement that will actually mitigate the problem.

Further regulating sales of what are called assault rifles is a useless distraction from
the primary problem
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-13 06:36:42 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?

I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.

I speak only of homicide data.
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
Post by Art Sackman
I.m not at all happy to see criminals armed to the teeth, that's why I want
enforcement that will actually mitigate the problem.
**If you vote for the NRA apologists in the Republican Party, then you
MUST be happy to see criminals armed to the teeth, because that is
precisely what the NRA wants and precisely what the Republicans have done.
Post by Art Sackman
Further regulating sales of what are called assault rifles is a useless distraction from
the primary problem
**I see what you did there. I said NOTHING about so-called "assault
rifles". In any case, handguns are, far and away, the most used method
to commit homicide in the US.
Art Sackman
2021-09-13 06:49:10 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-13 06:55:49 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
**Here's the problem:

" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"

The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.

Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
ScottW
2021-09-14 04:49:19 UTC
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Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
So take you nanny state BS and limit your drinking of the beer and koolaid.

If you need one good reason, watch the old videos of the 1992 LA Riots
(Rodney King Riots) and how Korea Town was preserved from the wide spread
rioting and arson.

ScottW
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-14 05:05:25 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
to own a gun (as part of a well-regulated militia). Take your time
searching for my words.
Post by ScottW
So take you nanny state BS and limit your drinking of the beer and koolaid.
**Fucking moron. Read what I write, NOT what you imagine I write.
Post by ScottW
If you need one good reason, watch the old videos of the 1992 LA Riots
(Rodney King Riots) and how Korea Town was preserved from the wide spread
rioting and arson.
**And why do you think that unrestricted gun ownership by bad people is
good public policy? After all, that is the result of the weak, haphazard
gun laws in many parts of the US.
ScottW
2021-09-14 05:22:31 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
Post by Trevor Wilson
to own a gun (as part of a well-regulated militia). Take your time
searching for my words.
Post by ScottW
So take you nanny state BS and limit your drinking of the beer and koolaid.
**Fucking moron. Read what I write, NOT what you imagine I write.
Post by ScottW
If you need one good reason, watch the old videos of the 1992 LA Riots
(Rodney King Riots) and how Korea Town was preserved from the wide spread
rioting and arson.
**And why do you think that unrestricted gun ownership by bad people is
good public policy?
Strawman...your above statement is a lie. And you know it's a lie...but you keep on repeating the lie.
Why are you such repetitive liar?

ScottW
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-14 06:02:31 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.

You have been hoodwinked by your NRA. They lie and you believe them.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
to own a gun (as part of a well-regulated militia). Take your time
searching for my words.
Post by ScottW
So take you nanny state BS and limit your drinking of the beer and koolaid.
**Fucking moron. Read what I write, NOT what you imagine I write.
Post by ScottW
If you need one good reason, watch the old videos of the 1992 LA Riots
(Rodney King Riots) and how Korea Town was preserved from the wide spread
rioting and arson.
**And why do you think that unrestricted gun ownership by bad people is
good public policy?
Strawman...your above statement is a lie.
**And yet, it is a fact that US gun control laws ensure that bad people
have easy access to firearms. The Republicans, under the control of the
NRA, have consistently resisted attempts to strengthen US gun control
laws, which would reduce the likelihood that bad people can easily
obtain firearms.

Therefore, it is US policy to arm bad people.

And you know it's a lie...but you keep on repeating the lie.

**Nope. It's a fact.
Post by ScottW
Why are you such repetitive liar?
**Why do you keep beating your wife?
ScottW
2021-09-14 16:45:25 UTC
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Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Funny...I think it was you bragging how many guns the govt' took away from the populace.

https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback

"It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history."

Buyback or be jailed....

ScottW
Art Sackman
2021-09-14 18:55:06 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Funny...I think it was you bragging how many guns the govt' took away from the populace.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
"It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history."
Buyback or be jailed....
ScottW
Lets see!
if we buy back half of our guns, at $200 per gun the cost would be $34 BILLION

at $500 per gun the cost would be $85 billion

And thats not counting the administrative and bureaucratic costs

and half the guns will still be out there
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2021-09-14 21:04:35 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Funny...I think it was you bragging how many guns the govt' took away from the populace.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
"It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history."
Buyback or be jailed....
ScottW
Lets see!
if we buy back half of our guns, at $200 per gun the cost would be $34 BILLION
at $500 per gun the cost would be $85 billion
And thats not counting the administrative and bureaucratic costs
and half the guns will still be out there
**Ah, so it's *just* about the money.

That is a pretty shallow and cynical view.

That is to be expected from an arsehole like you. You and Scottie are
disgusting humans. You break down a human life into Dollars and cents.

Still, if that is the game you want to play, I will descend into the
gutter with you.

The estimated cost of a single murder to US society is US$17 MILLION:

https://slate.com/culture/2010/10/does-every-murder-in-the-united-states-really-cost-society-17-million.html

OK, so, with 10,000 homicides, committed via gunshot, each and every
year, we have:

$17,000,000.00 X 10,000 = $170,000,000,000.00 EACH AND EVERY YEAR!

$170 BILLION every year.

Let's talk about the cost of firearm injury costs for a moment:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209896

In a 2019 study, it was found that firearms related injury costs
amounted to around US$229 BILLION each year.

So, if you want to talk Dollars, let's talk Dollars. By voting
Republican, you can be assured that the horrific cost to the US taxpayer
will continue unabated.

DO you think a buyback might be good value?

Do you think that it is time for a re-examination of US firearms laws?

Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?

Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
Art Sackman
2021-09-14 22:01:36 UTC
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Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Funny...I think it was you bragging how many guns the govt' took away from the populace.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
"It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history."
Buyback or be jailed....
ScottW
Lets see!
if we buy back half of our guns, at $200 per gun the cost would be $34 BILLION
at $500 per gun the cost would be $85 billion
And thats not counting the administrative and bureaucratic costs
and half the guns will still be out there
**Ah, so it's *just* about the money.
I never said that.
But obviously it is an issue.
The cost of every govt program is an issue to be considered
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is a pretty shallow and cynical view.
except that you totally misrepresented it.
You actually lied about it
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is to be expected from an arsehole like you. You and Scottie are
disgusting humans. You break down a human life into Dollars and cents.
never ever sad that.
i was talking the cost of buying about 170 million guns
And that big buyback will not save very many lives.
It will be negligible
because you lump all guns together,
You don't target the groups of guns that that are used most in crimes
That group of guns are the existing guns possessed by criminals
Criminals will not voluntarily sell back the tools of their criminal trade.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Still, if that is the game you want to play, I will descend into the
gutter with you.
https://slate.com/culture/2010/10/does-every-murder-in-the-united-states-really-cost-society-17-million.html
OK, so, with 10,000 homicides, committed via gunshot, each and every
$17,000,000.00 X 10,000 = $170,000,000,000.00 EACH AND EVERY YEAR!
$170 BILLION every year.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209896
In a 2019 study, it was found that firearms related injury costs
amounted to around US$229 BILLION each year.
TSk, Tsk, you didn't apply your usual restrictions
at any rate its an overblown number.
Most of Those overblown costs item are not attributable to public spending
You have piled on multiple layers of irrelevance and speculation on top of each other
your errors are exponential

The gun buyback programs are a direct public expense.

and again, the buyback program will yield only a negligible reduction at best

the owners willingly selling back their guns are not the problem people.
Criminals not participating in the buy back are the problem people.
Post by Trevor Wilson
So, if you want to talk Dollars, let's talk Dollars. By voting
Republican, you can be assured that the horrific cost to the US taxpayer
will continue unabated.
DO you think a buyback might be good value?
Not at all
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think that it is time for a re-examination of US firearms laws?
No
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
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2021-09-14 22:52:32 UTC
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Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Funny...I think it was you bragging how many guns the govt' took away from the populace.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
"It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history."
Buyback or be jailed....
ScottW
Lets see!
if we buy back half of our guns, at $200 per gun the cost would be $34 BILLION
at $500 per gun the cost would be $85 billion
And thats not counting the administrative and bureaucratic costs
and half the guns will still be out there
**Ah, so it's *just* about the money.
I never said that.
**It is the ONLY argument you have put forward so far.
Post by Art Sackman
But obviously it is an issue.
**Sure it is. Gun huggers here in Australia were highly critical of the
money issue too. However, over here, Australians were fully on-board
with the 1996 gun control laws to the tune of around 90% approval rate.
The gun huggers were so seriously out-numbered by sane people, they just
gave up.

In any case, I proved, conclusively, that a gun buyback would cost
America far less than the failed system presently in place.
Post by Art Sackman
The cost of every govt program is an issue to be considered
**As is the cost of every death and injury caused by gunshot.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is a pretty shallow and cynical view.
except that you totally misrepresented it.
You actually lied about it
**Nope. You vote for the same politicians, who are paid off or supported
by the NRA, which is paid by the firearms manufacturers. You dance in
the blood of your fellow Americans.

**That is disgusting. There is no excuse you can present. You finally
resorted to the lowest - that of cost. You tried and failed to present
the case that dealing with firearms would be too expensive.

Un-fucking-believable.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is to be expected from an arsehole like you. You and Scottie are
disgusting humans. You break down a human life into Dollars and cents.
never ever sad that.
**Sure you did. And you failed.
Post by Art Sackman
i was talking the cost of buying about 170 million guns
And that big buyback will not save very many lives.
**Prove it. Submit your data to prove your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
It will be negligible
because you lump all guns together,
You don't target the groups of guns that that are used most in crimes
That group of guns are the existing guns possessed by criminals
Criminals will not voluntarily sell back the tools of their criminal trade.
**I never claimed that they would. Criminals, however, STILL buy or
steal their firearms from legal owners. Those loopholes could be dealt
with, IF you would stop voting for corrupt, Republican politicians.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Still, if that is the game you want to play, I will descend into the
gutter with you.
https://slate.com/culture/2010/10/does-every-murder-in-the-united-states-really-cost-society-17-million.html
OK, so, with 10,000 homicides, committed via gunshot, each and every
$17,000,000.00 X 10,000 = $170,000,000,000.00 EACH AND EVERY YEAR!
$170 BILLION every year.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209896
In a 2019 study, it was found that firearms related injury costs
amounted to around US$229 BILLION each year.
TSk, Tsk, you didn't apply your usual restrictions
at any rate its an overblown number.
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
Most of Those overblown costs item are not attributable to public spending
You have piled on multiple layers of irrelevance and speculation on top of each other
your errors are exponential
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim. In your data, be aware
of the following:

* A gun buyback would involve a once-off cost to the community.
* The US$170 billion cost is a year on year cost. To make it simpler for
you, over 10 years, the cost will mount to US$1.7 TRILLION!

Every year, the cost mounts.
Post by Art Sackman
The gun buyback programs are a direct public expense.
**So are the deaths and injuries associated with gunfire.
Post by Art Sackman
and again, the buyback program will yield only a negligible reduction at best
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
the owners willingly selling back their guns are not the problem people.
Criminals not participating in the buy back are the problem people.
**You STILL don't get it, do you? AT SOME POINT, ALL guns are legal
weapons. Reducing the likelihood that firearms can enter the illegal
stream should be the goal. That goal is constantly and consistently
frustrated by Republican politicians, at the behest of the NRA.

Idiots like you, who vote Republican are the problem. YOU are
responsible for 10,000 of your fellow Americans who are murdered each
and every year.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
So, if you want to talk Dollars, let's talk Dollars. By voting
Republican, you can be assured that the horrific cost to the US taxpayer
will continue unabated.
DO you think a buyback might be good value?
Not at all
**Why?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think that it is time for a re-examination of US firearms laws?
No
**So, you are comfortable with 10,000 Americans being murdered each and
every year?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
**Answer the question. Yes or no.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
**YOU may not, but the corrupt, gutless politicians that you vote for, do.
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2021-09-15 04:35:35 UTC
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Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Funny...I think it was you bragging how many guns the govt' took away from the populace.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
"It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history."
Buyback or be jailed....
ScottW
Lets see!
if we buy back half of our guns, at $200 per gun the cost would be $34 BILLION
at $500 per gun the cost would be $85 billion
And thats not counting the administrative and bureaucratic costs
and half the guns will still be out there
**Ah, so it's *just* about the money.
I never said that.
**It is the ONLY argument you have put forward so far.
Post by Art Sackman
But obviously it is an issue.
**Sure it is. Gun huggers here in Australia were highly critical of the
money issue too. However, over here, Australians were fully on-board
with the 1996 gun control laws to the tune of around 90% approval rate.
The gun huggers were so seriously out-numbered by sane people, they just
gave up.
In any case, I proved, conclusively, that a gun buyback would cost
America far less than the failed system presently in place.
Post by Art Sackman
The cost of every govt program is an issue to be considered
**As is the cost of every death and injury caused by gunshot.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is a pretty shallow and cynical view.
except that you totally misrepresented it.
You actually lied about it
**Nope. You vote for the same politicians, who are paid off or supported
by the NRA, which is paid by the firearms manufacturers. You dance in
the blood of your fellow Americans.
**That is disgusting. There is no excuse you can present. You finally
resorted to the lowest - that of cost. You tried and failed to present
the case that dealing with firearms would be too expensive.
Un-fucking-believable.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is to be expected from an arsehole like you. You and Scottie are
disgusting humans. You break down a human life into Dollars and cents.
never ever sad that.
**Sure you did. And you failed.
Post by Art Sackman
i was talking the cost of buying about 170 million guns
And that big buyback will not save very many lives.
**Prove it. Submit your data to prove your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
It will be negligible
because you lump all guns together,
You don't target the groups of guns that that are used most in crimes
That group of guns are the existing guns possessed by criminals
Criminals will not voluntarily sell back the tools of their criminal trade.
**I never claimed that they would. Criminals, however, STILL buy or
steal their firearms from legal owners. Those loopholes could be dealt
with, IF you would stop voting for corrupt, Republican politicians.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Still, if that is the game you want to play, I will descend into the
gutter with you.
https://slate.com/culture/2010/10/does-every-murder-in-the-united-states-really-cost-society-17-million.html
OK, so, with 10,000 homicides, committed via gunshot, each and every
$17,000,000.00 X 10,000 = $170,000,000,000.00 EACH AND EVERY YEAR!
$170 BILLION every year.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209896
In a 2019 study, it was found that firearms related injury costs
amounted to around US$229 BILLION each year.
TSk, Tsk, you didn't apply your usual restrictions
at any rate its an overblown number.
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
Most of Those overblown costs item are not attributable to public spending
You have piled on multiple layers of irrelevance and speculation on top of each other
your errors are exponential
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim. In your data, be aware
* A gun buyback would involve a once-off cost to the community.
* The US$170 billion cost is a year on year cost. To make it simpler for
you, over 10 years, the cost will mount to US$1.7 TRILLION!
Every year, the cost mounts.
Post by Art Sackman
The gun buyback programs are a direct public expense.
**So are the deaths and injuries associated with gunfire.
Post by Art Sackman
and again, the buyback program will yield only a negligible reduction at best
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
the owners willingly selling back their guns are not the problem people.
Criminals not participating in the buy back are the problem people.
**You STILL don't get it, do you? AT SOME POINT, ALL guns are legal
weapons. Reducing the likelihood that firearms can enter the illegal
stream should be the goal. That goal is constantly and consistently
frustrated by Republican politicians, at the behest of the NRA.
Idiots like you, who vote Republican are the problem. YOU are
responsible for 10,000 of your fellow Americans who are murdered each
and every year.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
So, if you want to talk Dollars, let's talk Dollars. By voting
Republican, you can be assured that the horrific cost to the US taxpayer
will continue unabated.
DO you think a buyback might be good value?
Not at all
**Why?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think that it is time for a re-examination of US firearms laws?
No
**So, you are comfortable with 10,000 Americans being murdered each and
every year?
One does not follow the other

I am not comfortable.
I see better mitigating alternatives, as I recently discussed
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
**Answer the question. Yes or no.
NO
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
**YOU may not, but the corrupt, gutless politicians that you vote for, do.
and they pay attention to all sorts of lobbyists that I may or may not agree with, NAM, TRucking groups, military contractors,
Right to Life, Liberty advocates etc.

And Dems listen to all sorts of lobbyists I may or may not agree with, GND lobbyists, military contractors, AFT, AFLCIO, race hustlers, LGTBQ advocates, etc,
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-15 05:00:04 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Funny...I think it was you bragging how many guns the govt' took away from the populace.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
"It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history."
Buyback or be jailed....
ScottW
Lets see!
if we buy back half of our guns, at $200 per gun the cost would be $34 BILLION
at $500 per gun the cost would be $85 billion
And thats not counting the administrative and bureaucratic costs
and half the guns will still be out there
**Ah, so it's *just* about the money.
I never said that.
**It is the ONLY argument you have put forward so far.
Post by Art Sackman
But obviously it is an issue.
**Sure it is. Gun huggers here in Australia were highly critical of the
money issue too. However, over here, Australians were fully on-board
with the 1996 gun control laws to the tune of around 90% approval rate.
The gun huggers were so seriously out-numbered by sane people, they just
gave up.
In any case, I proved, conclusively, that a gun buyback would cost
America far less than the failed system presently in place.
Post by Art Sackman
The cost of every govt program is an issue to be considered
**As is the cost of every death and injury caused by gunshot.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is a pretty shallow and cynical view.
except that you totally misrepresented it.
You actually lied about it
**Nope. You vote for the same politicians, who are paid off or supported
by the NRA, which is paid by the firearms manufacturers. You dance in
the blood of your fellow Americans.
**That is disgusting. There is no excuse you can present. You finally
resorted to the lowest - that of cost. You tried and failed to present
the case that dealing with firearms would be too expensive.
Un-fucking-believable.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is to be expected from an arsehole like you. You and Scottie are
disgusting humans. You break down a human life into Dollars and cents.
never ever sad that.
**Sure you did. And you failed.
Post by Art Sackman
i was talking the cost of buying about 170 million guns
And that big buyback will not save very many lives.
**Prove it. Submit your data to prove your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
It will be negligible
because you lump all guns together,
You don't target the groups of guns that that are used most in crimes
That group of guns are the existing guns possessed by criminals
Criminals will not voluntarily sell back the tools of their criminal trade.
**I never claimed that they would. Criminals, however, STILL buy or
steal their firearms from legal owners. Those loopholes could be dealt
with, IF you would stop voting for corrupt, Republican politicians.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Still, if that is the game you want to play, I will descend into the
gutter with you.
https://slate.com/culture/2010/10/does-every-murder-in-the-united-states-really-cost-society-17-million.html
OK, so, with 10,000 homicides, committed via gunshot, each and every
$17,000,000.00 X 10,000 = $170,000,000,000.00 EACH AND EVERY YEAR!
$170 BILLION every year.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209896
In a 2019 study, it was found that firearms related injury costs
amounted to around US$229 BILLION each year.
TSk, Tsk, you didn't apply your usual restrictions
at any rate its an overblown number.
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
Most of Those overblown costs item are not attributable to public spending
You have piled on multiple layers of irrelevance and speculation on top of each other
your errors are exponential
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim. In your data, be aware
* A gun buyback would involve a once-off cost to the community.
* The US$170 billion cost is a year on year cost. To make it simpler for
you, over 10 years, the cost will mount to US$1.7 TRILLION!
Every year, the cost mounts.
Post by Art Sackman
The gun buyback programs are a direct public expense.
**So are the deaths and injuries associated with gunfire.
Post by Art Sackman
and again, the buyback program will yield only a negligible reduction at best
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
the owners willingly selling back their guns are not the problem people.
Criminals not participating in the buy back are the problem people.
**You STILL don't get it, do you? AT SOME POINT, ALL guns are legal
weapons. Reducing the likelihood that firearms can enter the illegal
stream should be the goal. That goal is constantly and consistently
frustrated by Republican politicians, at the behest of the NRA.
Idiots like you, who vote Republican are the problem. YOU are
responsible for 10,000 of your fellow Americans who are murdered each
and every year.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
So, if you want to talk Dollars, let's talk Dollars. By voting
Republican, you can be assured that the horrific cost to the US taxpayer
will continue unabated.
DO you think a buyback might be good value?
Not at all
**Why?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think that it is time for a re-examination of US firearms laws?
No
**So, you are comfortable with 10,000 Americans being murdered each and
every year?
One does not follow the other
**Sure it does. If you were truly uncomfortable seeing the rampant
slaughter of Americans, you would vote to remove the corrupt arseholes
who continue to support easy access of firearms to violent people.
Post by Art Sackman
I am not comfortable.
I see better mitigating alternatives, as I recently discussed
**No, you do not. You dispense with the systems in place in Australia,
the UK and many other places. All of which work.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
**Answer the question. Yes or no.
NO
**Why? Why do you think that a document created in the 18th century has
any relevance to the 21st?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
**YOU may not, but the corrupt, gutless politicians that you vote for, do.
and they pay attention to all sorts of lobbyists that I may or may not agree with, NAM, TRucking groups, military contractors,
Right to Life, Liberty advocates etc.
**And it is the NRA that is indirectly responsible for the murder of
10,000 Americans every year.
Post by Art Sackman
And Dems listen to all sorts of lobbyists I may or may not agree with, GND lobbyists, military contractors, AFT, AFLCIO, race hustlers, LGTBQ advocates, etc,
**You have to decide if the wanton murder of 10,000 Americans each year
is worth it. If you do, then you need to own that decision. You need to
stand up and admit that you are quite happy seeing 10,000 of your fellow
countrymen shot to death each and every year.

Let's not forget the cost to the taxpayer either. 1.7 TRILLION DOLLARS
over the past decade. That comes from your pocket.

Here's what you snipped:

---> I never said that.

**It is the ONLY argument you have put forward so far.
Post by Art Sackman
But obviously it is an issue.
**Sure it is. Gun huggers here in Australia were highly critical of the
money issue too. However, over here, Australians were fully on-board
with the 1996 gun control laws to the tune of around 90% approval rate.
The gun huggers were so seriously out-numbered by sane people, they just
gave up.

In any case, I proved, conclusively, that a gun buyback would cost
America far less than the failed system presently in place.
Post by Art Sackman
The cost of every govt program is an issue to be considered
**As is the cost of every death and injury caused by gunshot.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is a pretty shallow and cynical view.
except that you totally misrepresented it.
You actually lied about it
**Nope. You vote for the same politicians, who are paid off or supported
by the NRA, which is paid by the firearms manufacturers. You dance in
the blood of your fellow Americans.

**That is disgusting. There is no excuse you can present. You finally
resorted to the lowest - that of cost. You tried and failed to present
the case that dealing with firearms would be too expensive.

Un-fucking-believable.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is to be expected from an arsehole like you. You and Scottie are
disgusting humans. You break down a human life into Dollars and cents.
never ever sad that.
**Sure you did. And you failed.
Post by Art Sackman
i was talking the cost of buying about 170 million guns
And that big buyback will not save very many lives.
**Prove it. Submit your data to prove your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
It will be negligible
because you lump all guns together,
You don't target the groups of guns that that are used most in crimes
That group of guns are the existing guns possessed by criminals
Criminals will not voluntarily sell back the tools of their criminal trade.
**I never claimed that they would. Criminals, however, STILL buy or
steal their firearms from legal owners. Those loopholes could be dealt
with, IF you would stop voting for corrupt, Republican politicians.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Still, if that is the game you want to play, I will descend into the
gutter with you.
https://slate.com/culture/2010/10/does-every-murder-in-the-united-states-really-cost-society-17-million.html
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
OK, so, with 10,000 homicides, committed via gunshot, each and every
$17,000,000.00 X 10,000 = $170,000,000,000.00 EACH AND EVERY YEAR!
$170 BILLION every year.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209896
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
In a 2019 study, it was found that firearms related injury costs
amounted to around US$229 BILLION each year.
TSk, Tsk, you didn't apply your usual restrictions
at any rate its an overblown number.
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
Most of Those overblown costs item are not attributable to public spending
You have piled on multiple layers of irrelevance and speculation on top of each other
your errors are exponential
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim. In your data, be aware
of the following:

* A gun buyback would involve a once-off cost to the community.
* The US$170 billion cost is a year on year cost. To make it simpler for
you, over 10 years, the cost will mount to US$1.7 TRILLION!

Every year, the cost mounts.
Post by Art Sackman
The gun buyback programs are a direct public expense.
**So are the deaths and injuries associated with gunfire.
Post by Art Sackman
and again, the buyback program will yield only a negligible reduction at best
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
the owners willingly selling back their guns are not the problem people.
Criminals not participating in the buy back are the problem people.
**You STILL don't get it, do you? AT SOME POINT, ALL guns are legal
weapons. Reducing the likelihood that firearms can enter the illegal
stream should be the goal. That goal is constantly and consistently
frustrated by Republican politicians, at the behest of the NRA.

Idiots like you, who vote Republican are the problem. YOU are
responsible for 10,000 of your fellow Americans who are murdered each
and every year.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
So, if you want to talk Dollars, let's talk Dollars. By voting
Republican, you can be assured that the horrific cost to the US taxpayer
will continue unabated.
DO you think a buyback might be good value?
Not at all
**Why?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think that it is time for a re-examination of US firearms laws?
No
**So, you are comfortable with 10,000 Americans being murdered each and
every year?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
**Answer the question. Yes or no.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
**YOU may not, but the corrupt, gutless politicians that you vote for, do.
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ScottW
2021-09-15 05:22:58 UTC
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**Why? Why do you think that a document created in the 18th century has
any relevance to the 21st?
So Kepler's work is definitely out.
I think I shall float away.....

ScottW
George M. Middius
2021-09-15 06:11:58 UTC
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Witless trots out his pathetic, feeble, dimwitted version of cleverness.
Post by ScottW
Post by Trevor Wilson
**Why? Why do you think that a document created in the 18th century has
any relevance to the 21st?
So Kepler's work is definitely out.
I think I shall float away.....
How many WDT points did you get for that clunker, mutt?
Art Sackman
2021-09-15 19:54:38 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
One does not follow the other
**Sure it does. If you were truly uncomfortable seeing the rampant
slaughter of Americans, you would vote to remove the corrupt arseholes
who continue to support easy access of firearms to violent people.
I want to remove the corrupt assholes who are soft on criminals.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
I am not comfortable.
I see better mitigating alternatives, as I recently discussed
**No, you do not. You dispense with the systems in place in Australia,
the UK and many other places. All of which work.
They may or may not work there.
America is a different environment
For one thing we have 340 million guns on the streets
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
**Answer the question. Yes or no.
NO
**Why? Why do you think that a document created in the 18th century has
any relevance to the 21st?
The Ten Commandments still work, tha'ts 7,000 plus years old

The Constitution still works. its a magnificent document.
I don't want to throw it out
Its open to Amendments, but ha's a tough road
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
**YOU may not, but the corrupt, gutless politicians that you vote for, do.
and they pay attention to all sorts of lobbyists that I may or may not agree with, NAM, TRucking groups, military contractors,
Right to Life, Liberty advocates etc.
**And it is the NRA that is indirectly responsible for the murder of
10,000 Americans every year.
They are not responsible, even indirectly
The criminals are responsible, not the guns
the 10,000 guns each year are not pulling their own triggers.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
And Dems listen to all sorts of lobbyists I may or may not agree with, GND lobbyists, military contractors, AFT, AFLCIO, race hustlers, LGTBQ advocates, etc,
**You have to decide if the wanton murder of 10,000 Americans each year
is worth it. If you do, then you need to own that decision. You need to
stand up and admit that you are quite happy seeing 10,000 of your fellow
countrymen shot to death each and every year.
I'm not happy with it. But what you advocate is not a solution
It fails to address both the perps and the 340 million guns now on the streets
Post by Trevor Wilson
Let's not forget the cost to the taxpayer either. 1.7 TRILLION DOLLARS
over the past decade. That comes from your pocket.
---> I never said that.
**It is the ONLY argument you have put forward so far.
Post by Art Sackman
But obviously it is an issue.
**Sure it is. Gun huggers here in Australia were highly critical of the
money issue too. However, over here, Australians were fully on-board
with the 1996 gun control laws to the tune of around 90% approval rate.
The gun huggers were so seriously out-numbered by sane people, they just
gave up.
In any case, I proved, conclusively, that a gun buyback would cost
America far less than the failed system presently in place.
and won't buy back the actual guns used in most murders,
They are in the hands of criminals and they will hold onto them

Buy backs here are a complete waste of money
it makes even less sense than funding a California high speed rail line from
nowhere to nowhere.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
The cost of every govt program is an issue to be considered
**As is the cost of every death and injury caused by gunshot.
But your plan will not appreciable reduce that number
hint hint hint
concentrate on the criminals
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is a pretty shallow and cynical view.
except that you totally misrepresented it.
You actually lied about it
**Nope. You vote for the same politicians, who are paid off or supported
by the NRA, which is paid by the firearms manufacturers. You dance in
the blood of your fellow Americans.
First of all that is a complete lie
Second, I am not a one issue voter
Post by Trevor Wilson
**That is disgusting. There is no excuse you can present. You finally
resorted to the lowest - that of cost. You tried and failed to present
the case that dealing with firearms would be too expensive.
Un-fucking-believable.
Cost IS an issue, even if it would work,
but it won't
An expensive non solution
Money better spent if we would build more prisons and lock
up more career criminal sand violent offenders for longer
periods of time
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is to be expected from an arsehole like you. You and Scottie are
disgusting humans. You break down a human life into Dollars and cents.
never ever sad that.
**Sure you did. And you failed.
I'll ask you what a life is worth in terms of govt spending
and I'll also ask you how such an increase in spending
will negatively affect the lives of our citizens

its not an absolute
everything has a cost benefit ratio
every good deed also has negative repercussions elsewhere.
One issue does not live in a vacuum. Doing one thing affects
a multitude of other things

you have an extremely simplistic world view
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
i was talking the cost of buying about 170 million guns
And that big buyback will not save very many lives.
**Prove it. Submit your data to prove your claim.
you can't prove that it will.
Logic, common senses and a real world sense of human behavior
tells that bud guys will keep their guns
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
It will be negligible
because you lump all guns together,
You don't target the groups of guns that that are used most in crimes
That group of guns are the existing guns possessed by criminals
Criminals will not voluntarily sell back the tools of their criminal
trade.
**I never claimed that they would. Criminals, however, STILL buy or
steal their firearms from legal owners. Those loopholes could be dealt
with, IF you would stop voting for corrupt, Republican politicians.
yes, but most criminals don't There are 340 million guns out there and 20 million
sales each year
And you can't identify which 10,000 guns will used in murders.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Still, if that is the game you want to play, I will descend into the
gutter with you.
https://slate.com/culture/2010/10/does-every-murder-in-the-united-states-really-cost-society-17-million.html
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
OK, so, with 10,000 homicides, committed via gunshot, each and every
$17,000,000.00 X 10,000 = $170,000,000,000.00 EACH AND EVERY YEAR!
$170 BILLION every year.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209896
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
In a 2019 study, it was found that firearms related injury costs
amounted to around US$229 BILLION each year.
TSk, Tsk, you didn't apply your usual restrictions
at any rate its an overblown number.
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
Most of Those overblown costs item are not attributable to public
spending
Post by Art Sackman
You have piled on multiple layers of irrelevance and speculation on
top of each other
Post by Art Sackman
your errors are exponential
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim. In your data, be aware
* A gun buyback would involve a once-off cost to the community.
* The US$170 billion cost is a year on year cost. To make it simpler for
you, over 10 years, the cost will mount to US$1.7 TRILLION!
Every year, the cost mounts.
Post by Art Sackman
The gun buyback programs are a direct public expense.
**So are the deaths and injuries associated with gunfire.
And the buybacks won't stop that
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
and again, the buyback program will yield only a negligible reduction
at best
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
You suply the data telling us that US buybacks will reduce gun deaths
How many buybacks and how many deaths averted?
You dont know
you don't know which guns will be used,
you don't know how many guns will be bought back]
you don't know hoe many guns will remain and in who's possession theuywill remain
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
the owners willingly selling back their guns are not the problem people.
Criminals not participating in the buy back are the problem people.
**You STILL don't get it, do you? AT SOME POINT, ALL guns are legal
weapons. Reducing the likelihood that firearms can enter the illegal
stream should be the goal. That goal is constantly and consistently
frustrated by Republican politicians, at the behest of the NRA.
You've got quite a task
eliminating 20 million new gun sales each year, while 340 million
still remain in circulation despite your garganyuam efforts.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Idiots like you, who vote Republican are the problem. YOU are
responsible for 10,000 of your fellow Americans who are murdered each
and every year.
Reps lock up bad guys
Dems give early release
Dems depopulate prisons
Dems defund the police
Dems disband police gun enforcement units
Dems weaken up on traffic stops, which are a geat source for getting illegally possesed guns off the streets
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
So, if you want to talk Dollars, let's talk Dollars. By voting
Republican, you can be assured that the horrific cost to the US taxpayer
will continue unabated.
DO you think a buyback might be good value?
Not at all
**Why?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think that it is time for a re-examination of US firearms laws?
No
**So, you are comfortable with 10,000 Americans being murdered each and
every year?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
**Answer the question. Yes or no.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
**YOU may not, but the corrupt, gutless politicians that you vote for, do.
---
I'm ending this discussion
I'm not gonna respond to you anymore
We are just endlessly spinning around in the same circle
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-15 21:35:46 UTC
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Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
One does not follow the other
**Sure it does. If you were truly uncomfortable seeing the rampant
slaughter of Americans, you would vote to remove the corrupt arseholes
who continue to support easy access of firearms to violent people.
I want to remove the corrupt assholes who are soft on criminals.
**You mean the criminals in the NRA?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
I am not comfortable.
I see better mitigating alternatives, as I recently discussed
**No, you do not. You dispense with the systems in place in Australia,
the UK and many other places. All of which work.
They may or may not work there.
**How the fuck would you know, without trying it? It works in EVERY
SINGLE nation that uses similar regulations.

I agree, that just because it works everywhere else, that does not mean
it will work in the US. However, the likelihood that it would not work
is extremely remote.
Post by Art Sackman
America is a different environment
For one thing we have 340 million guns on the streets
**Yes. You keep saying that.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
**Answer the question. Yes or no.
NO
**Why? Why do you think that a document created in the 18th century has
any relevance to the 21st?
The Ten Commandments still work, tha'ts 7,000 plus years old
**Utter nonsense. Let's examine one:

* Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife.

How well does that one work?
Post by Art Sackman
The Constitution still works. its a magnificent document.
**NO. It's a document. It's neither magnificent, nor particularly
relevant to 2021 in many respects. It allowed for the existence of
slavery, the continued discrimination of blacks, women and other groups
in the US.

In any case, there are good reasons why the Amendments to the
Constitution exist. The original document was flawed. Let's examine one
Amendment:

18th

Discuss.
Post by Art Sackman
I don't want to throw it out
Its open to Amendments, but ha's a tough road
**Huh?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
**YOU may not, but the corrupt, gutless politicians that you vote for, do.
and they pay attention to all sorts of lobbyists that I may or may not agree with, NAM, TRucking groups, military contractors,
Right to Life, Liberty advocates etc.
**And it is the NRA that is indirectly responsible for the murder of
10,000 Americans every year.
They are not responsible, even indirectly
The criminals are responsible, not the guns
the 10,000 guns each year are not pulling their own triggers.
**It is through the efforts of the NRA, via corrupt politicians, that
criminals can gain easy access to firearms. Therefore, the NRA is
indirectly responsible.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
And Dems listen to all sorts of lobbyists I may or may not agree with, GND lobbyists, military contractors, AFT, AFLCIO, race hustlers, LGTBQ advocates, etc,
**You have to decide if the wanton murder of 10,000 Americans each year
is worth it. If you do, then you need to own that decision. You need to
stand up and admit that you are quite happy seeing 10,000 of your fellow
countrymen shot to death each and every year.
I'm not happy with it.
**Then stop voting for corrupt Republican politicians.


But what you advocate is not a solution
Post by Art Sackman
It fails to address both the perps and the 340 million guns now on the streets
**Prove it.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Let's not forget the cost to the taxpayer either. 1.7 TRILLION DOLLARS
over the past decade. That comes from your pocket.
---> I never said that.
**It is the ONLY argument you have put forward so far.
Post by Art Sackman
But obviously it is an issue.
**Sure it is. Gun huggers here in Australia were highly critical of the
money issue too. However, over here, Australians were fully on-board
with the 1996 gun control laws to the tune of around 90% approval rate.
The gun huggers were so seriously out-numbered by sane people, they just
gave up.
In any case, I proved, conclusively, that a gun buyback would cost
America far less than the failed system presently in place.
and won't buy back the actual guns used in most murders,
They are in the hands of criminals and they will hold onto them
**Guns certainly remain in circulation for a very long time. However, to
assume that they remain in circulation forever, is dumb. They do not.
Police regularly recover guns that are used in crimes. Those are (or
should be) destroyed.
Post by Art Sackman
Buy backs here are a complete waste of money
**And yet, the evidence from Australia proves that statement incorrect.
Post by Art Sackman
it makes even less sense than funding a California high speed rail line from
nowhere to nowhere.
**Strawman noted.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
The cost of every govt program is an issue to be considered
**As is the cost of every death and injury caused by gunshot.
But your plan will not appreciable reduce that number
**Prove it.
Post by Art Sackman
hint hint hint
concentrate on the criminals
**With the largest number of prisoners (per capita) on the planet, your
idea is a clear failure.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is a pretty shallow and cynical view.
except that you totally misrepresented it.
You actually lied about it
**Nope. You vote for the same politicians, who are paid off or supported
by the NRA, which is paid by the firearms manufacturers. You dance in
the blood of your fellow Americans.
First of all that is a complete lie
**NO. It is fact.
Post by Art Sackman
Second, I am not a one issue voter
**I see. What do you consider more important than the wanton murder of
10,000 of your fellow citizens each and every year?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
**That is disgusting. There is no excuse you can present. You finally
resorted to the lowest - that of cost. You tried and failed to present
the case that dealing with firearms would be too expensive.
Un-fucking-believable.
Cost IS an issue, even if it would work,
but it won't
**Prove it.
Post by Art Sackman
An expensive non solution
Money better spent if we would build more prisons and lock
up more career criminal sand violent offenders for longer
periods of time
**The US already has the largest prison population (per capita) on the
planet. Then there is this:

https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-economic-costs-of-the-u-s-criminal-justice-system/

US$1.2 TRILLION each year. That all comes from the pockets of the
long-suffering US taxpayer. And you want taxpayers to stump up MORE
cash? Is that what you want?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
That is to be expected from an arsehole like you. You and Scottie are
disgusting humans. You break down a human life into Dollars and cents.
never ever sad that.
**Sure you did. And you failed.
I'll ask you what a life is worth in terms of govt spending
and I'll also ask you how such an increase in spending
will negatively affect the lives of our citizens
**I've cited the data that pertains to the cost to US society of the
murder of a US citizen. Read it.
Post by Art Sackman
its not an absolute
everything has a cost benefit ratio
every good deed also has negative repercussions elsewhere.
**Nonsense.
Post by Art Sackman
One issue does not live in a vacuum. Doing one thing affects
a multitude of other things
**Sure, but that is no evidence to suggest that "every good deed also
has negative consequences."

Of all the dumb things you've written, that may just be the dumbest.
Post by Art Sackman
you have an extremely simplistic world view
**I see. And your consistent claim that allowing criminals easy access
to guns is a good thing, makes any kind of sense?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
i was talking the cost of buying about 170 million guns
And that big buyback will not save very many lives.
**Prove it. Submit your data to prove your claim.
you can't prove that it will.
**Prove it. Submit your data to prove your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
Logic, common senses and a real world sense of human behavior
tells that bud guys will keep their guns
**Forever? Or will they, at some point, be caught by the police and
their gun/s confiscated? Or are you talking about some kind of criminal
genius who will NEVER be caught?

Dunno about the US, but violent criminals tend to be rather uneducated
and not real smart. They eventually get caught.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
It will be negligible
because you lump all guns together,
You don't target the groups of guns that that are used most in crimes
That group of guns are the existing guns possessed by criminals
Criminals will not voluntarily sell back the tools of their criminal
trade.
**I never claimed that they would. Criminals, however, STILL buy or
steal their firearms from legal owners. Those loopholes could be dealt
with, IF you would stop voting for corrupt, Republican politicians.
yes, but most criminals don't
**Then where do they obtain their firearms?


There are 340 million guns out there and 20 million
Post by Art Sackman
sales each year
**So?
Post by Art Sackman
And you can't identify which 10,000 guns will used in murders.
**Strawman. Identify the criminals, confiscate their firearms and lock
'em up.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Still, if that is the game you want to play, I will descend into the
gutter with you.
https://slate.com/culture/2010/10/does-every-murder-in-the-united-states-really-cost-society-17-million.html
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
OK, so, with 10,000 homicides, committed via gunshot, each and every
$17,000,000.00 X 10,000 = $170,000,000,000.00 EACH AND EVERY YEAR!
$170 BILLION every year.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209896
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
In a 2019 study, it was found that firearms related injury costs
amounted to around US$229 BILLION each year.
TSk, Tsk, you didn't apply your usual restrictions
at any rate its an overblown number.
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
Post by Art Sackman
Most of Those overblown costs item are not attributable to public
spending
Post by Art Sackman
You have piled on multiple layers of irrelevance and speculation on
top of each other
Post by Art Sackman
your errors are exponential
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim. In your data, be aware
* A gun buyback would involve a once-off cost to the community.
* The US$170 billion cost is a year on year cost. To make it simpler for
you, over 10 years, the cost will mount to US$1.7 TRILLION!
Every year, the cost mounts.
Post by Art Sackman
The gun buyback programs are a direct public expense.
**So are the deaths and injuries associated with gunfire.
And the buybacks won't stop that
**Prove it.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
and again, the buyback program will yield only a negligible reduction
at best
**Then supply your data, which proves your claim.
You suply the data telling us that US buybacks will reduce gun deaths
**You will never know until you try. We tried it over here and gun
deaths fell.
Post by Art Sackman
How many buybacks and how many deaths averted?
**You'll never know until you try.
Post by Art Sackman
You dont know
you don't know which guns will be used,
you don't know how many guns will be bought back]
you don't know hoe many guns will remain and in who's possession theuywill remain
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
the owners willingly selling back their guns are not the problem people.
Criminals not participating in the buy back are the problem people.
**You STILL don't get it, do you? AT SOME POINT, ALL guns are legal
weapons. Reducing the likelihood that firearms can enter the illegal
stream should be the goal. That goal is constantly and consistently
frustrated by Republican politicians, at the behest of the NRA.
You've got quite a task
eliminating 20 million new gun sales each year, while 340 million
still remain in circulation despite your garganyuam efforts.
**I suggest you acquaint yourself with ALL the 1996 Australian gun law
changes.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Idiots like you, who vote Republican are the problem. YOU are
responsible for 10,000 of your fellow Americans who are murdered each
and every year.
Reps lock up bad guys
Dems give early release
Dems depopulate prisons
Dems defund the police
Dems disband police gun enforcement units
Dems weaken up on traffic stops, which are a geat source for getting illegally possesed guns off the streets
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
So, if you want to talk Dollars, let's talk Dollars. By voting
Republican, you can be assured that the horrific cost to the US taxpayer
will continue unabated.
DO you think a buyback might be good value?
Not at all
**Why?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think that it is time for a re-examination of US firearms laws?
No
**So, you are comfortable with 10,000 Americans being murdered each and
every year?
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to re-assess the utility of the 2nd?
No Its not gonna happen, not going to get 75% of the states to agree
**Answer the question. Yes or no.
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Post by Trevor Wilson
Do you think it is time to stop voting for politicians who are in the
thrall of the NRA?
I don't pay attention to the NRA
**YOU may not, but the corrupt, gutless politicians that you vote for, do.
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I'm ending this discussion
**Of course you are. You finally realise that you are enabling violent
criminals, by voting for corrupt Republican politicians.
Post by Art Sackman
I'm not gonna respond to you anymore
We are just endlessly spinning around in the same circle
**Indeed. You're an idiot.
Art Sackman
2021-09-16 04:31:56 UTC
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This is repetitive,
so you might as well
STFU

George M. Middius
2021-09-14 22:12:57 UTC
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I just heard a factoid along the same lines. An economist estimated our
country's total cost of COVID medical care just for unvaxxed patients. The
total, which was calculated starting a month or so after vaccines were
available, is around $6 billion. No word on how much was covered by
patients' insurance and how much by hospitals and local governments.

I mention it because the vaxxophobes have a large overlap with the gun
lovers in this country.
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-14 20:50:55 UTC
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Post by ScottW
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Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
We simply are not going to surrender our rights to own a gun
or surrender the guns we own in the hope that by some miracle
criminals will do likewise.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
You point to Aussie laws.
**Cite, PRECISELY, where I said that you should surrender your 'rights'
Post by ScottW
The NFA I presume. How many guns were confiscated under that law?
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Funny...I think it was you bragging how many guns the govt' took away from the populace.
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
"It collected roughly 650,000 privately held guns. It was one of the largest mandatory gun buyback programs in recent history."
Buyback or be jailed....
**NOT ONE SINGLE FIREARM was confiscated under the 1996 gun control laws.
Art Sackman
2021-09-14 05:52:28 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by Art Sackman
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.
Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
Good luck in getting rid of 340 million of them.
all while halting 20 million new ones each year
It's a job for SuperTrevor, but only for when your normal persona
isn't fleecing your clients. Take George along as your wingman.

BTW, if a criminal is locked up, he can't shoot people on the outside.
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-14 06:04:08 UTC
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On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 1:54:30 AM UTC-4, George M.
Post by Trevor Wilson
Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws

**Here's the problem:

" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"

The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
only about 10,000 guns are used in deaths
and that is split about 50/50 between suicide and homicide.
**Idiot. Before you argue these things with me, I suggest you do your
research. 10,000 Americans (give or take) are the victims of homicide,
via gunshot each year. ANOTHER 20,000 (give or take) are killed via
gunshot, as result of suicide, accident, etc. I do not EVER place them
into calculations.
I speak only of homicide data.
I speak only of homicide data you moron.
Post by Art Sackman
Post by Trevor Wilson
Existing guns are used in over 99% of the gun related homicides homicides
**I would posit that 100% of existing guns are used in gun related
homicides.
really?
**Yes, really.

Do I really have to explain it to you?
Post by Art Sackman
340 million guns used in ten thousand homicides.
so, according to you, your typical thug runs around with
34 thousand guns stuck in his waistband,
**If a gun does not exist, it cannot be used to commit a crime.
Art Sackman
2021-09-14 06:12:14 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
**I've been thinking that for some time. His internal logic is broken.
He seems happy to lock up those with a violent criminal history, but
then is quite happy to see those same violent criminals armed to the
teeth when they are released from prison.
It's already illegal for them to buy, own and possess guns.
**Ah, but there is no requirement for a seller to perform a background
check on a purchaser.
Post by Art Sackman
and the guns they illegally rearm themselves with
are existing guns already out on the streets.
**Are you trying to tell me that criminals cannot buy the latest guns?
I call bullshit on that.
Post by Art Sackman
Street gangsta's dont go to legitimate sales sources to buy guns.
**Indeed. They get a legitimate purchaser to do that.
Post by Art Sackman
your proposals don't work
**Prove it. In your proof, examine what was done in Australia, after the
1996 gun control laws were enacted.
Post by Art Sackman
There are 340 million guns already out here
and 20 million bought new each year
**Sure and, as I previously stated, there is little impediment for legal
owners to sell guns to criminals.
Existing Federal law
10 years in prison
I consider that an impediment
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/programs/ceasefire/brochures-and-talking-points/federal-firearms-laws
" *KNOWINGLY* SELL, GIVE OR OTHERWISE DISPOSE OF ANY FIREARM OR
AMMUNITION TO ANY PERSON WHO FALLS WITHIN ONE OF THE ABOVE CATEGORIES:"
The seller need only claim ignorance. US gun laws are full of (NRA
designed) holes, which allow bad people to easily obtain firearms.
Not true, here is a plug
It works better than your hair plugs

https://www.atf.gov/file/110076/download

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Criminals acquire a vast majority of their guns off the streets
Another portion from thefts.
all of the above are illegal sources
Hardly any from gun shows or other legal sources

a street gun is less trackable, having been many times removed from any prior legal ownership
Art Sackman
2021-09-13 05:56:18 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Here we go again...
Dems want to let [criminals] out of jail
When Sackhead says something this stoopid, it's appropriate to refer him to
a mental health counselor.
here is a nice collection of Dems

https://civilrights.org/resource/leadership-conference-letter-urging-jail-and-prison-population-reduction-during-covid-19-pandemic/#:~:text=Depopulating%20prisons%20to%20address%20the%20coronavirus%20pandemic%20is,issue%2C%20but%20a%20racial%20justice%20issue%20as%20well.
Art Sackman
2021-09-12 05:05:30 UTC
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On Saturd
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https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
Our govt is run according to our Constitution, not according to polls.
That is how it was intentionally designed and that is how it should be
Part of the process for amending the Constitution requires approval from 75%
of the state legislatures

Polling is notoriously inaccurate.
Every poll begins with a guess.
That guess is to the particulars of the sample to be used.
Polls have a historical bias of oversampling Democrats, i.e., liberals.
Art Sackman
2021-09-11 02:07:24 UTC
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-withdraws-pick-to-run-firearms-agency-after-nra-pressure/ar-AAOgJRW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
You believe in locking up your political opponents
ScottW
2021-09-11 02:09:59 UTC
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-withdraws-pick-to-run-firearms-agency-after-nra-pressure/ar-AAOgJRW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
You believe in locking up your political opponents
He's why we need a 2nd amendment.

ScottW
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-11 03:22:01 UTC
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-withdraws-pick-to-run-firearms-agency-after-nra-pressure/ar-AAOgJRW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
ScottW
**The 3 Democrats who refused to back Biden's choice should be locked
You believe in locking up your political opponents
**Nope. I believe in locking up corrupt politicians. You know: The ones
who are bought and paid for by the NRA.
George M. Middius
2021-09-11 04:26:32 UTC
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**Nope. I believe in locking up corrupt politicians. You know: The ones
who are bought and paid for by the NRA.
Those are the same ones owned by Big Pharma, Big Fossil, and Big Ag.
Trevor Wilson
2021-09-11 04:34:50 UTC
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Post by Trevor Wilson
**Nope. I believe in locking up corrupt politicians. You know: The ones
who are bought and paid for by the NRA.
Those are the same ones owned by Big Pharma, Big Fossil, and Big Ag.
**Well, yeah, but those corporations do not design products that are
deliberately designed to kill humans. Rather, they design products that
are supposed to enhance lives in some way, but may kill humans as a
by-product. Only the firearms manufacturers spend lots of time and money
designing products that can kill humans more quickly and efficiently.

A Democrat politician who acts to prevent sensible changes to US gun
laws is no better than a Republican politician. In fact, there are a
couple of Republican politicians who would like to see sensible changes
to US gun control laws. Not many though.
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