Discussion:
Best Sounding LP's
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BrianEWilliams
2003-11-09 16:32:07 UTC
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I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.

My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
Sockpuppet Yustabe
2003-11-09 17:22:22 UTC
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Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!

Good luck, Brian




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Marc Phillips
2003-11-09 21:49:17 UTC
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Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!
Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years, my
Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about getting
something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few people
that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
stick with it.

I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the plastic
clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this because
it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)

Boon
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 05:03:17 UTC
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Post by Marc Phillips
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!
Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years, my
Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about getting
something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few people
that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
stick with it.
I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the plastic
clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this because
it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)
Boon
Marc, I've owned a VPI 16.5 RCM for about 10 years, and it is built like a
tank. I've virtually had no maintenance or replacement problems with it and
the only think I've ever added to it is a 2nd wand (cf. below) and a
replacement of the "mat" that comes with it after the original wore out. It
may interest you to know that I follow the Disc Doctor protocol and use both
products together. And yes, it is very easy to clean records right on the VPI
RCM's 12" platter with a DD brush and cleaning solution. I use one brush and
DD cleaner as directed by DD, then clean it off with the first wand, then apply
the distilled water rinse with the 2nd DD brush, and then dry the record with
the 2nd VPI wand. This combination of using the DD brushes for
cleaning/rinsing and the VPI RCM for drying both the cleaned record and the
rinsed record seems to work fine.

As for the listener's question about fine sounding LP's, depending on one's
musical tastes, I'd certainly recommend getting some Sheffield direct-to-disc
records on eBay. Most of them are not too expensive, and they are generally
considered among the best sounding LPs ever made. (I like the famous Thelma
Houston disc - I've Got the Music In Me, and for jazz lovers, it's hard to beat
the Harry James big band showpieces).



Bruce J. Richman
Marc Phillips
2003-11-10 05:21:28 UTC
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Post by Marc Phillips
Post by Marc Phillips
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
My recommendation should improve the sound of almost all your records.
A record cleaning machine, such as the VPI.
I consider it one of my best sounding pieces of audio equipment!
Do you own the VPI, Art? I'm wondering, because after more than 20 years,
my
Post by Marc Phillips
Nitty Gritty is really showing signs of dying, and I'm thinking about
getting
Post by Marc Phillips
something new. I've been researching this a little, but I've found few people
that can compare one to the other, since most people pretty much buy one and
stick with it.
I don't want to buy another Nitty Gritty, because I dislike the way the plastic
clamp keeps coming apart, even though I've taken it back to Nitty Gritty a
couple of times to fix/replace it (the company is located nearby). I would
also prefer having a flat 12" platter, like on the VPI, to place the record
while scrubbing, even though some people say it's not good to have this because
it pollutes the entire side of the record. (The Nitty Gritty's platform is
basically the size of a record label, which keeps the down side clean while
scrubbing the other side. However, the record wiggles and flops around too
much if you really have to scrub. If you use the Disc Doctor in conjunction
with a record cleaning machine, you'll know what I mean.)
Boon
Marc, I've owned a VPI 16.5 RCM for about 10 years, and it is built like a
tank. I've virtually had no maintenance or replacement problems with it and
the only think I've ever added to it is a 2nd wand (cf. below) and a
replacement of the "mat" that comes with it after the original wore out. It
may interest you to know that I follow the Disc Doctor protocol and use both
products together. And yes, it is very easy to clean records right on the VPI
RCM's 12" platter with a DD brush and cleaning solution. I use one brush and
DD cleaner as directed by DD, then clean it off with the first wand, then apply
the distilled water rinse with the 2nd DD brush, and then dry the record with
the 2nd VPI wand. This combination of using the DD brushes for
cleaning/rinsing and the VPI RCM for drying both the cleaned record and the
rinsed record seems to work fine.
That's exactly what I needed to hear. It's the 16.5 for me! Thanks, Doc!
Post by Marc Phillips
As for the listener's question about fine sounding LP's, depending on one's
musical tastes, I'd certainly recommend getting some Sheffield direct-to-disc
records on eBay. Most of them are not too expensive, and they are generally
considered among the best sounding LPs ever made. (I like the famous Thelma
Houston disc - I've Got the Music In Me, and for jazz lovers, it's hard to beat
the Harry James big band showpieces).
I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I also
agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.

Boon
S888Wheel
2003-11-10 16:23:11 UTC
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Post by Marc Phillips
I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I also
agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.
Boon
I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 18:28:50 UTC
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Post by S888Wheel
Post by Marc Phillips
I've had good luck with the Nautilus Half-Speed Masters, too. The Police's
Ghost In The Machine is very clean and natural-sounding, with virtually no
surface noise, even after twenty years. I also like the Opus 3 LPs, but the
performances and performers tend to be of the somewhat obscure variety. I also
agree that MFSLs are hit-and-miss and generally overrated.
Boon
I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
I'll second that recommendation. The Eric Bibb album is very good, and one of
my favorite folk music records. I've also got some nice Opus 3 LPs featuring,
unfortunately, some rather obscure jazz combos, but are highly listenable.



Bruce J. Richman
Marc Phillips
2003-11-10 20:49:05 UTC
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Post by S888Wheel
I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is one
of my absolute favorites.

Boon
MiNE 109
2003-11-10 22:10:52 UTC
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Post by Marc Phillips
Post by S888Wheel
I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is
one of my absolute favorites.
I found a cd of that one for a buck. Pleasant surprise.

Stephen
Marc Phillips
2003-11-10 23:02:39 UTC
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Post by MiNE 109
Post by Marc Phillips
Post by S888Wheel
I highly recomend River Road on Opus 3. Eric Bibb is pretty awsome.
I have one that's called "Concertos for Double Bass and Orchestra" which is
one of my absolute favorites.
I found a cd of that one for a buck. Pleasant surprise.
I get very specific visuals of life in Scandinavia during the winter when I
listen to it. It's pretty amazing music.

Also, Opus 3 CDs sound pretty good, but not as good as the LPs.

Boon
S888Wheel
2003-11-09 17:47:06 UTC
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Here is a short list off the top of my head.

Simon and Garfunkel Book Ends Original pressing.

Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy later U.S. pressing with GP written in the dead
wax.

Donovan A gift from a flower to a Garden. Original Epic stereo

Genesis Tresspass. Japanese pressing

Grateful Dead American Beauty original US pressing

These are just a few that are easy to find for the most part.

As for audiophile reissues I would say that MFSL is hit and miss and tend to be
way over priced. Classics are mostly excellent but they have a few turkies as
well. And DCC when you can find them are consistantly excellent. Speakers
Corner reissues are also excellent. EMI Century reissues are usually good and
the EMI millenium reissues are usually bad. Simply Vinyl varies widely from
title to title.

Then ther is classical and Jazz and other genres. Books have been written on
the subject.
Marc Phillips
2003-11-09 22:01:59 UTC
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Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?

My best sounding LPs are as follows:

Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
heard. Incredible dynamics.

Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real to
me, especially the ride cymbal.

Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
realistic piano I've heard on a recording.

Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the detail
is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.

The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums of
all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but it
sounds very, very realistic.

I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
when compared to other Beatles LPs.

There are many, many more.

Boon
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 05:29:31 UTC
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Post by Marc Phillips
Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?
Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
heard. Incredible dynamics.
Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real to
me, especially the ride cymbal.
Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
realistic piano I've heard on a recording.
Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the detail
is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.
The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums of
all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but it
sounds very, very realistic.
I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
when compared to other Beatles LPs.
There are many, many more.
Boon
Of course, a lot of this depends on musical tastes, but here are a few of my
favorite nominations, from different genres, for best sounding LPs:

Classical:

(1) Fremaux, Birmingham Symphony, Saint-Saens Symphony No. 3 (The "Organ"
Symphony) - on a Klavier Heavy Vinyl release/reissue (if you can't find or
afford the original). Awe-inspiring with great dynamics. As an aside, the
famous melody from this work was heard throughout the soundtrack of "Babe" -
lol.

(2) L.A. Philharmonic, Various selections by Wagner, on a Sheffield
Direct-to-Disc LP - got a Grammy award for engineering excellence when
originally released. Wait until you hear Ride of the Valkyries on this one!

Jazz:

(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five - on a Columbia Six-Eye, or if too hard to find,
the Classic Records reissue of this jazz classic is excellent.

(2) Any of the 3 Harry James big band LP's on Sheffield Direct-to-Disc LPs - I
like King James version best, but all are exceptional, and you'll think the
musicians are in the room!

(3) Bill Berry - For Duke - on M&K - another fabulous and justly well known
direct-to-disc classic with staggering sonics.

(4) Manhattan Transfer - Live! - on Mobile Fidelity. (Most of the Manhattan
Transfer recordings, even in their non-MoFi versions, are very well done).

(5) L.A. Four - Pavane Pour Une Infante Defunte - on East Wind Direct to Disc
LP - one of the best sounding direct to disc LPs you will ever hear, and worth
what you have to pay for it :) Mostly brazilian music such as Black Orpheus,
and if you like this you might also want try and find a copy on Verve of "Jazz
Samba" with Stan Getz & Charlie Byrd.

Popular:

(1) Eric Clapton - Unplugged (my copy is on German vinyl) - very realistic,
live recording.

(2) Muddy Waters - Folk Singer - on Mobile Fidelity - one of the best sounding
blues records you will ever hear. Unfortunately, the high demand has driven up
the price for this, but if you hear it and want a truly great listening
experience, you might be tempted to search for a reasonably priced copy.

(3) Soundtrack - Cat People (a Georgio Moroder score), and a hair raising
performance by David Bowie of "Putting Out the Fire With Gasoline". Very dark,
dynamic music that richly conveys the themes of the film. When I was first
trying to decide if purchasing electrostatics would be OK with pulsating,
driving, dynamic music, this was one of the LPs used for a test. I now own
Martin Logans - 'nuff said.

(4) And for something completely different, the Ry Cooder recording of "Jazz".
An unusual collection of different musical instruments, ragtime, slide guitar -
hard to categorize, but Ry Cooder is worth hearing on just about *any* of his
LPs (Chicken Skin Music is also highly recommended). Unless you've won a
lottery, you won't be able to afford the Mobile Fidelity version of "Jazz" ,
but the everyday Warner Bros. version is very good sounding.

(5) Rickie Lee Jones - Try her first album "Rickie Lee Jones" or "Pop Pop" -
the latter is very closely miked, very intimate, and is very well recorded.






Bruce J. Richman
trotsky
2003-11-10 11:34:39 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Marc Phillips
Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
That Heart album does really sound good, doesn't it?
Rachmaninoff's Symphonic Dances/Vocalise, recorded by Donald Johanson and the
Dallas S.O., on the Athena label. This is by far the best sounding LP I've
heard. Incredible dynamics.
Sonny Rollins' Way Out West. Shelly Manne's drum kit sounds absolutely real to
me, especially the ride cymbal.
Tsuyushi Yamamoto's Midnight Sugar, on the Three Blind Mice label. Most
realistic piano I've heard on a recording.
Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the detail
is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy.
The Minutemen's Double Nickels On The Dime. One of the greatest rock albums of
all time. The recording is minimalist, as it should be for a rock trio, but it
sounds very, very realistic.
I also have an original Parlophone UK pressing of Sgt. Pepper (not the mono,
unfortunately), and I continue to be amazed at how good it sounds, especially
when compared to other Beatles LPs.
There are many, many more.
Boon
Of course, a lot of this depends on musical tastes, but here are a few of my
(1) Fremaux, Birmingham Symphony, Saint-Saens Symphony No. 3 (The "Organ"
Symphony) - on a Klavier Heavy Vinyl release/reissue (if you can't find or
afford the original). Awe-inspiring with great dynamics. As an aside, the
famous melody from this work was heard throughout the soundtrack of "Babe" -
lol.
(2) L.A. Philharmonic, Various selections by Wagner, on a Sheffield
Direct-to-Disc LP - got a Grammy award for engineering excellence when
originally released. Wait until you hear Ride of the Valkyries on this one!
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Sockpuppet Yustabe
2003-11-10 13:02:27 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=1078#ebayphotohosting




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trotsky
2003-11-10 13:20:38 UTC
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(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=1078#ebayphotohosting
Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 18:22:04 UTC
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Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=10
78#ebayphotohosting
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.
Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and research.
They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being continually
exposed as liars and braggarts.



Bruce J. Richman
trotsky
2003-11-10 19:41:11 UTC
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Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=10
78#ebayphotohosting
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.
Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and research.
They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being continually
exposed as liars and braggarts.
You have an odd way of saying "point taken", Bruce. If you need any
more info. on records let me know.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 20:43:02 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2571295972&category=10
78#ebayphotohosting
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Right. That's an auction for the Brubeck album "Time Out." Wannabe
fans generally can't get the title right.
Audio poseurs and frauds generally make hyperbolic, ujnsubstantiated claims
about speakers they've thrown together with a minimum of effort and
research.
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
They then try to shill for their products on NGs even after being
continually
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
exposed as liars and braggarts.
You have an odd way of saying "point taken", Bruce. If you need any
more info. on records let me know.
Your inability to comprehend English is duly noted. I'd suggest you try and
get some help for your latest set of delusions.
And since you don't know much of anything about records, which complements
nicely your lack of knowledge about how to successfully design or market
loudspeakers, perhaps you should consider taking up a less demanding topic to
discuss - such as your contributions to meaningful conversation on newsgroups.



Bruce J. Richman
MiNE 109
2003-11-10 17:08:28 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)

Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...

Stephen
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 18:23:46 UTC
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Post by MiNE 109
Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Stephen
Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the word
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".


Bruce J. Richman
trotsky
2003-11-10 19:42:17 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by MiNE 109
Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Stephen
Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the word
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".
Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 20:46:12 UTC
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(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Stephen
Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the
word
Post by Bruce J. Richman
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".
Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?
No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the audio
products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or Peter
Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.

So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on Audiogon
for perhaps the cost of materials?






Bruce J. Richman
trotsky
2003-11-10 20:56:15 UTC
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(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Stephen
Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the
word
Post by Bruce J. Richman
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".
Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?
No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the audio
products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or Peter
Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.
So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on Audiogon
for perhaps the cost of materials?
It's only a matter of time now. You don't want to admit to the
possibility that I may have one of the best sounding speakers on the
market because you're not really interested in good sound. You're too
busy buying brand names.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 21:13:59 UTC
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(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Stephen
Of course, "experts" like Singh also think their speakers (and I use the
word
Post by Bruce J. Richman
advisedly) are much better representations of audio truth than Quads.
So much for his "expertise".
Oh, do you own Quads now? Whom did you say was the poseur?
No, I don't - not that it would matter to your delusional views of the
audio
Post by Bruce J. Richman
products that others own. I can't believe that either Gayle Sanders or
Peter
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Walker ever managed to design worthwhile productgs without consulting you.
Somehow they managed to make a go ot it.
So when can we expect glowing testimonials re. your speakers sold on
Audiogon
Post by Bruce J. Richman
for perhaps the cost of materials?
It's only a matter of time now. You don't want to admit to the
possibility that I may have one of the best sounding speakers on the
market because you're not really interested in good sound. You're too
busy buying brand names.
As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me and
have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might not
believe or what I mght or might not buy?

You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been known
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about any
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about my
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear, I'm
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the same
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces of my
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair of
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about either
electrostatics or Quads specifically.

Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.



Bruce J. Richman
trotsky
2003-11-10 21:27:12 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me and
have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might not
believe or what I mght or might not buy?
You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been known
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about any
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about my
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear, I'm
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the same
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces of my
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair of
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about either
electrostatics or Quads specifically.
Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.
Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-10 22:18:05 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Bruce J. Richman
As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me
and
Post by Bruce J. Richman
have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might
not
Post by Bruce J. Richman
believe or what I mght or might not buy?
You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been
known
Post by Bruce J. Richman
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about
any
Post by Bruce J. Richman
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about
my
Post by Bruce J. Richman
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,
I'm
Post by Bruce J. Richman
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the
same
Post by Bruce J. Richman
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces
of my
Post by Bruce J. Richman
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair
of
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about
either
Post by Bruce J. Richman
electrostatics or Quads specifically.
Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.
Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
As usual, you're lieing again. About both your knowledge re. audio and about
my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of what
brands might be worth personally auditioning. 95% of my research involved
actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
turntables are not shared by hardly anybody that has made meaningful
comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of some
English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
sold along with other English brands). But thanks for validating my previous
observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
"sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again you're
wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
judgment, why even discuss them?



Bruce J. Richman
trotsky
2003-11-11 00:16:14 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
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As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me
and
Post by Bruce J. Richman
have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or might
not
Post by Bruce J. Richman
believe or what I mght or might not buy?
You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been
known
Post by Bruce J. Richman
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just about
any
Post by Bruce J. Richman
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without making
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption about
my
Post by Bruce J. Richman
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,
I'm
Post by Bruce J. Richman
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the
same
Post by Bruce J. Richman
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces
of my
Post by Bruce J. Richman
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair
of
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about
either
Post by Bruce J. Richman
electrostatics or Quads specifically.
Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.
Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
As usual, you're lieing again.
"Lieing"--got it.


About both your knowledge re. audio and about
Post by Bruce J. Richman
my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of what
brands might be worth personally auditioning.
Right, so in your mind if it doesn't show up in a magazine then it isn't
worth auditioning. Exactly as predicted.


95% of my research involved
Post by Bruce J. Richman
actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
turntables are not shared by hardly anybody
'Not shared by hardly anybody'--got it.


that has made meaningful
Post by Bruce J. Richman
comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of some
English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
sold along with other English brands).
I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
accurate, right?


But thanks for validating my previous
Post by Bruce J. Richman
observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
"sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again you're
wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
judgment, why even discuss them?
True, who discusses audio on this group.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-11 01:05:28 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
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As you've already hesitatingly admitted, you don't know anything about me
and
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have never met me. Therefore, you have no idea about what I might or
might
Post by Bruce J. Richman
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not
Post by Bruce J. Richman
believe or what I mght or might not buy?
You, on the other hand, as many on RAO have pointed out, have never been
known
Post by Bruce J. Richman
to concede that you don't know as much as you think you do about just
about
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Bruce J. Richman
any
Post by Bruce J. Richman
topic under discussion. I've never bought any audio product without
making
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Bruce J. Richman
extensive comparisons first. And in answer to your stupid assumption
about
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Bruce J. Richman
my
Post by Bruce J. Richman
buying habits, unlike the few suckers that you conned when selling gear,
I'm
Post by Bruce J. Richman
not a member of the "component of the month or year" club. I've owned the
same
Post by Bruce J. Richman
speakers, amplifier, etc. for a number of years and rarely upgrade pieces
of my
Post by Bruce J. Richman
system without a very good reason to do so. And when I *didd* own a pair
of
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Quad ESL 57's many years ago, I( certainly didn't buy them because of the
"brand name"; at the time I auditioned them, I knew very little about
either
Post by Bruce J. Richman
electrostatics or Quads specifically.
Sorry to shatter yet another of your wildly inaccurate false claims.
Bruce, if you owned ESL57s and "graduated" to Martin Logans then you
went in the wrong direction. ESL57s, withing their operating limits,
are bordering on perfect. Especially if you have some really good
electronics behind them, which, unfortunately, you probably didn't.
Now, I may be wrong and you may have a valid explanation for the reasons
for switching to Martin Logans, but I tend to doubt it. You may also
have had good sounding electronics at one time, but I tend to doubt that
too. You do listen to vinyl, which is certainly a step in the right
direction, but if I remember correctly you listen to it on a VPI, which
tends to produce fairly unexciting, uninvolving sound. But of course
VPI, like Martin Logan, reviews well, so you could see why I would say
that you're merely buying brand names. Moreover, you alluded to the
"research" you do before making a purchase, which presumably has to do
with finding out which brands are reviewed well. You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
As usual, you're lieing again.
"Lieing"--got it.
Shall we get into further pettiness? Or just leave that to you as you continue
to lose ground?
Post by Bruce J. Richman
About both your knowledge re. audio and about
Post by Bruce J. Richman
my reesearch, which you delusionally assume was based on magazine reviews.
Your stupidity re. how others evaluate equipment is duly noted. None of my
research was based on magazine reviews, other than to get a rough idea of
what
Post by Bruce J. Richman
brands might be worth personally auditioning.
Right, so in your mind if it doesn't show up in a magazine then it isn't
worth auditioning. Exactly as predicted.
Just another lie. Your delusions never end, as evidenced above. Mind-reading
attempts duly noted. Failure to understand other people proven in idiotic
response from failed speaker manufacturer.
Post by Bruce J. Richman
95% of my research involved
Post by Bruce J. Richman
actual listening comparisons. And of course, your comments about VPI
turntables are not shared by hardly anybody
'Not shared by hardly anybody'--got it.
The usual blather from a failed manufacturer.
Post by Bruce J. Richman
that has made meaningful
Post by Bruce J. Richman
comparisons. Unfortunately, you confuse neutrality and reasonably accurate
playback of what's on the vinyl with the "souped up" "hi-fi" quality of
some
Post by Bruce J. Richman
English turntables like Linn Sondek, which you probably favor (and probably
sold along with other English brands).
I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
accurate, right?
You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas about
how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former employer
also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat customers
in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that you
were fired?
Post by Bruce J. Richman
But thanks for validating my previous
Post by Bruce J. Richman
observation that you've been known to bash other brands simply to try and
"sell" your biases to others. As for the electronics I've used, again
you're
Post by Bruce J. Richman
wrong, but given your biases and inability to concede your own errors in
judgment, why even discuss them?
True, who discusses audio on this group.
Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is either to shill
for your speakers or fight with others. Of course, your preference would be to
engage in both obnoxious activities at the same time, correct?



Bruce J. Richman
trotsky
2003-11-11 02:17:03 UTC
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Post by trotsky
I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
accurate, right?
You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas about
how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former employer
also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat customers
in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that you
were fired?
Bruce, you're in serious denial here. You want to go toe to toe with me
in an audio discussion? You don't have the backbone.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-11 17:37:32 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by trotsky
I use live music as a reference, you use magazine terminology. That's
accurate, right?
You don't know what your talking about and constantly lie about what others
say, don't you? You can't admit that you don't have the foggiest ideas
about
Post by Bruce J. Richman
how others form their opinions. You just try and continue with your false
claims about others. Unfortunately for you, nobody believes your phony
pretensiions about music and audio equipment. Apparently, your former
employer
Post by Bruce J. Richman
also couldn't tolerate your basic dishonesty and inability to treat
customers
Post by Bruce J. Richman
in a socially acceptable way. Or were there other reasons as well that
you
Post by Bruce J. Richman
were fired?
Bruce, you're in serious denial here. You want to go toe to toe with me
in an audio discussion? You don't have the backbone.
Inability to answer reasonable question duly noted. Delusional bragging
observed and as always, quite predictable. Singh found to simply be trying out
his latest stolen material from "Lies 'R Us".



Bruce J. Richman
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 03:00:19 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is either
to shill for your speakers or fight with others.
That would be plural - purposes.
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Of course, your
preference would be to engage in both obnoxious activities at the
same time, correct?
This differs from you how, Bruce?

Oh yes Bruce, you don't make anything audio to shill.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-11 17:46:19 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is either
to shill for your speakers or fight with others.
That would be plural - purposes.
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Of course, your
preference would be to engage in both obnoxious activities at the
same time, correct?
This differs from you how, Bruce?
Since you have been proven over and over again to be RAO's most widely despised
and hated poster for your lengthy history of character assassination, lyiing
about others, and smearing any and all who disagree with you, your question is
worthless, Arny. Your hypocrisy in defense of Singh simply validates all the
scorn you've richly earned over the years on RAO.
Post by Arny Krueger
Oh yes Bruce, you don't make anything audio to shill.
I've never claimed to be an audio manufacturer. You, on the other hand, have
constantly tried to spread your anti-preference, anti-subjective opinion
bullshit on RAO by making false claims about your agenda-driven website
dedicated to nothing more than the denial of individual differences in
selection oif audio equipment.

Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a lot in
common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what others think and
do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote your self-serving propaganda
about audio, music, and products that very few people want.




Bruce J. Richman
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 19:22:40 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is
either to shill for your speakers or fight with others.
That would be plural - purposes.
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Of course, your
preference would be to engage in both obnoxious activities at the
same time, correct?
This differs from you how, Bruce?
Bruce gives us his 463rd rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Since you have been proven over and over again to be RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster for your lengthy history of
character assassination, lyiing about others, and smearing any and
all who disagree with you, your question is worthless, Arny. Your
hypocrisy in defense of Singh simply validates all the scorn you've
richly earned over the years on RAO.
Post by Arny Krueger
Oh yes Bruce, you don't make anything audio to shill.
I've never claimed to be an audio manufacturer.
Doncha think this is a rather defensive response to a simple statement of
fact, Bruce?
Post by Bruce J. Richman
You, on the other
hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
anti-subjective opinion bullshit on RAO by making false claims about
your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
very few people want.
Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
yet another crap-slinging contest:
dave weil
2003-11-11 19:28:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
You, on the other
hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
anti-subjective opinion bullshit on RAO by making false claims about
your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
very few people want.
Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
What's the last colon for, Arnold?
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-11 19:39:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by dave weil
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
You, on the other
hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
anti-subjective opinion bullshit on RAO by making false claims about
your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
very few people want.
Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
What's the last colon for, Arnold?
Krueger likes to use cut-and-paste methodology to more efficiently repeat his
lies on RAO. Actually whenever one of his lies occurs, usually within a few
lines of another person's posts, the term "high colonic" seems appropriate.



Bruce J. Richman
Marc Phillips
2003-11-11 20:53:58 UTC
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Post by dave weil
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
You, on the other
hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
anti-subjective opinion bullshit on RAO by making false claims about
your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
very few people want.
Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
What's the last colon for, Arnold?
He had to go potty.

Boon
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-11 19:34:47 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Not you. That's for sure. Your sole purpose in being here is
either to shill for your speakers or fight with others.
That would be plural - purposes.
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Of course, your
preference would be to engage in both obnoxious activities at the
same time, correct?
This differs from you how, Bruce?
Bruce gives us his 463rd rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Kruger is once again lying and making things up, as is his custom. He asked
his insulting question, which is in itself a lie, simply to try and generate
flames in a discussion in which he was not previously involved. This is
typical Krueger behavior, i.e. interject insulting comments or questions in a
conversation not previously involving him.
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Since you have been proven over and over again to be RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster for your lengthy history of
character assassination, lyiing about others, and smearing any and
all who disagree with you, your question is worthless, Arny. Your
hypocrisy in defense of Singh simply validates all the scorn you've
richly earned over the years on RAO.
<Krueger's inability to refute the above factual claim duly noted>
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Post by Arny Krueger
Oh yes Bruce, you don't make anything audio to shill.
I've never claimed to be an audio manufacturer.
Doncha think this is a rather defensive response to a simple statement of
fact, Bruce?
No, Arny. But your delusional interpretation makes you appear even more
foolish than usual, doesn't it?
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
You, on the other
hand, have constantly tried to spread your anti-preference,
anti-subjective opinion bullshit on RAO by making false claims about
your agenda-driven website dedicated to nothing more than the denial
of individual differences in selection oif audio equipment.
Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Just another answer of Arny's deceptive cut-and-paste repetitions of prevfious
lies.

The so-called "querstion" to which Krueger was referring was asked with no
answer either anticipated or wanted. Like his friend and ally, Singh, Krueger
asks questions only to perpetuate his usual personal insults in a different
grammatical form. It's typical of his transpareent dissemblikng, but fools
nobody.
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by Bruce J. Richman
Why don't you and Greg get a room, Arny? You two obviously have a
lot in common - e.g. narcissistic posting, constant lying about what
others think and do, and of course, shameless attempts to promote
your self-serving propaganda about audio, music, and products that
very few people want.
Krueger refuses to answer the question of why he and Greg don't get a room so
that they can better share their common pathological views and practices.
Instead, all he can offer his another cut-and-paste repetition of his usual
bullshit.
Post by Arny Krueger
Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Quite predictable compulsive lying as a repetitive substitute for either
truthful or original thought by Krueger duly noted.

LOL!



Bruce J. Richman
tor 2 u
2003-11-11 20:20:00 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Bruce gives us his 463rd rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Bruce gives us his 464th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Bruce gives us his 465th rendition of "Look over there, cake!" IOW Bruce
doesn't answer the question that was put to him, but instead tries to start
Arny, please stop saying the same thing over and over. I get dizzy reading your
posts.



Arny is My Kroo-Daddy
ScottW
2003-11-11 02:07:06 UTC
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Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?

Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.

ScottW
trotsky
2003-11-11 02:25:10 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
We're all selling something, dickhead. The difference is I don't have
to set an alarm clock.
ScottW
2003-11-11 02:46:27 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by ScottW
Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
We're all selling something, dickhead. The difference is I don't have
to set an alarm clock.
Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment office.
Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
Slacker.

ScottW
trotsky
2003-11-11 13:22:48 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Post by trotsky
Post by ScottW
Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
We're all selling something, dickhead. The difference is I don't have
to set an alarm clock.
Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment office.
Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
Slacker.
You sound like a coward, Scott. Just stay in your plasticene world and
contemplate your limp dick.
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 13:35:39 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by ScottW
Post by trotsky
Post by ScottW
Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
We're all selling something, dickhead. The difference is I don't
have to set an alarm clock.
Careful, you might miss your appointment at the unemployment
office. Don't tell us you actually think you are now a "success".
Doesn't that require you to be self sustaining?
Slacker.
You sound like a coward, Scott. Just stay in your plasticene world
and contemplate your limp dick.
If I've been tracking the story of ScottW, he's a guy who drives a pickup
truck and dreams about listening to ESL 63s. A pretty weird picture, if you
ask me. Seems like a mixed-media collection of stereotypes from the mind of
Marc Phillips.
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 03:04:28 UTC
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Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here, under the
same conditions?

Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.
ScottW
2003-11-11 05:26:32 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here, under the
same conditions?
None
Post by Arny Krueger
Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.

ScottW
Sockpuppet Yustabe
2003-11-11 06:13:42 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.




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trotsky
2003-11-11 13:32:04 UTC
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Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by ScottW
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll get
your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the biggest
assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come from I call
this guilt by association.
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 13:44:13 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by ScottW
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the biggest
assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come from I call
this guilt by association.
Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the bigger
idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins, everybody else
on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a thing or two!

;-)
trotsky
2003-11-11 14:19:56 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by ScottW
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the biggest
assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come from I call
this guilt by association.
Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the bigger
idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins, everybody else
on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a thing or two!
;-)
As you probably know, I've got no beef with Phillips. And as long as he
doesn't make "jokes" like "Arny, how many times did you fuck your dead
kid?" I can't really blame him if he takes offense with just about
everything you have to say. Sackman "Yustabe" neutral, but since he
decided to open he big fat fucking mouth here I don't think I can give
him a pass anymore. Scott and George, of course, I'd say we're about
equal on. I've given George ample opportunities to come clean about his
agenda, but he won't do it. And it's not like he has audio discussions
to fall back on. "Scott", of course, is about as interesting as a
cockroach, and should be stepped on as often as needed.
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 14:32:45 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by ScottW
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the
biggest assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come
from I call this guilt by association.
Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the
bigger idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins,
everybody else on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a
thing or two!
;-)
As you probably know, I've got no beef with Phillips.
This week.
Post by trotsky
And as long as
he doesn't make "jokes" like "Arny, how many times did you fuck your
dead kid?" I can't really blame him if he takes offense with just
about everything you have to say.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
Sackman "Yustabe" neutral, but
since he decided to open he big fat fucking mouth here I don't think
I can give him a pass anymore.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
Scott and George, of course, I'd say
we're about equal on. I've given George ample opportunities to come
clean about his agenda, but he won't do it. And it's not like he has
audio discussions to fall back on.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
"Scott", of course, is about as
interesting as a cockroach, and should be stepped on as often as
needed.
It took me too long to figure out how vacuous and vile he is. He's just Marc
Philips with a pickup truck and a pocket protector.

You're getting half a pass from me Singh, because you actually tried to do
something with audio that required personal interaction, not just spending
money (i.e., Jupiter). You get points for learning from it how two-faced
and mentally sterile some of these guys are. It's all about dominance, audio
is just a source of tokens.

You lost points for getting suckered by Weil, the currently dominance-queen
of RAO. He ascended to that position when senile dementia really started
hitting Middius.

For extra credit Singh, show that you've learning something about audio from
the experience.
Sockpuppet Yustabe
2003-11-11 15:40:45 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by ScottW
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the
biggest assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come
from I call this guilt by association.
Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the
bigger idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins,
everybody else on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a
thing or two!
;-)
As you probably know, I've got no beef with Phillips.
This week.
Post by trotsky
And as long as
he doesn't make "jokes" like "Arny, how many times did you fuck your
dead kid?" I can't really blame him if he takes offense with just
about everything you have to say.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
Sackman "Yustabe" neutral, but
since he decided to open he big fat fucking mouth here I don't think
I can give him a pass anymore.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
Scott and George, of course, I'd say
we're about equal on. I've given George ample opportunities to come
clean about his agenda, but he won't do it. And it's not like he has
audio discussions to fall back on.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
"Scott", of course, is about as
interesting as a cockroach, and should be stepped on as often as
needed.
It took me too long to figure out how vacuous and vile he is. He's just Marc
Philips with a pickup truck and a pocket protector.
You're getting half a pass from me Singh, because you actually tried to do
something with audio that required personal interaction, not just spending
money (i.e., Jupiter). You get points for learning from it how two-faced
and mentally sterile some of these guys are. It's all about dominance, audio
is just a source of tokens.
You lost points for getting suckered by Weil, the currently
dominance-queen
Post by Arny Krueger
of RAO. He ascended to that position when senile dementia really started
hitting Middius.
For extra credit Singh, show that you've learning something about audio from
the experience.
Greg, are you enjoying this condescending ass fucking from
your new found friend?




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trotsky
2003-11-11 15:42:23 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by ScottW
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll
get your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the
biggest assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come
from I call this guilt by association.
Hey Greg, let's have a knock-down drag out fight over who is the
bigger idiot: Scott, Marc, George, or Yustabe. No matter who wins,
everybody else on the group who thinks they have brains can learn a
thing or two!
;-)
As you probably know, I've got no beef with Phillips.
This week.
Post by trotsky
And as long as
he doesn't make "jokes" like "Arny, how many times did you fuck your
dead kid?" I can't really blame him if he takes offense with just
about everything you have to say.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
Sackman "Yustabe" neutral, but
since he decided to open he big fat fucking mouth here I don't think
I can give him a pass anymore.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
Scott and George, of course, I'd say
we're about equal on. I've given George ample opportunities to come
clean about his agenda, but he won't do it. And it's not like he has
audio discussions to fall back on.
You're a slow learner, grasshopper.
Post by trotsky
"Scott", of course, is about as
interesting as a cockroach, and should be stepped on as often as
needed.
It took me too long to figure out how vacuous and vile he is. He's just Marc
Philips with a pickup truck and a pocket protector.
You're getting half a pass from me Singh, because you actually tried to do
something with audio that required personal interaction, not just spending
money (i.e., Jupiter). You get points for learning from it how two-faced
and mentally sterile some of these guys are. It's all about dominance, audio
is just a source of tokens.
You lost points for getting suckered by Weil, the currently dominance-queen
of RAO. He ascended to that position when senile dementia really started
hitting Middius.
For extra credit Singh, show that you've learning something about audio from
the experience.
Okay, I'll do that right after you show you don't make a mockery of the
concept of Christianity.
George M. Middius
2003-11-11 14:38:23 UTC
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Gaily lying to suit today's agenda, Gregipus explores his unique
reality.
Post by trotsky
I've given George ample opportunities to come clean about his
agenda, but he won't do it.
You are too much. Do you write your own material?

Apparently all you have to do is accuse somebody of having "an
agenda", and there ends your burden of proof. Tell us what your agenda
is, Fag-Boy, and then maybe you'll be able to answer the question I've
put to you a dozen times now.
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 14:56:06 UTC
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Post by George M. Middius
Gaily lying to suit today's agenda, Gregipus explores his unique
reality.
Post by trotsky
I've given George ample opportunities to come clean about his
agenda, but he won't do it.
You are too much. Do you write your own material?
Who else would lower themselves to take credit?
Post by George M. Middius
Apparently all you have to do is accuse somebody of having "an
agenda", and there ends your burden of proof.
That senile dementia is really slowing you down, eh "George"?

Singh didn't put you down for having an agenda George, he said that your
agenda needed cleaning-up. That reading module of yours is really going down
fast, isn't it?
Post by George M. Middius
Tell us what your agenda is, Fag-Boy, and then maybe you'll be able to
answer the question I've
Post by George M. Middius
put to you a dozen times now.
Typically George, your so-called questions are rhetorical. IOW they are
statements of what you believe to be fact. They therefore should not need a
reply. Regrettably you typically get just about everything wrong, so they
often need replies. If you only got out more...
Sockpuppet Yustabe
2003-11-11 14:44:42 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Sockpuppet Yustabe
Post by ScottW
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Now he'll never get it out of Arny's ass.
That's fine, Art: if you want to get a beating too, I'm sure you'll get
your turn. Let's start with this: "ScottW" is one of the biggest
assholes on this group, and your his buddy. Where I come from I call
this guilt by association.
I see your buddy Arny has already seconded your emotion..
Nice friend you got there.




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Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 10:27:35 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here,
under the same conditions?
None
Post by Arny Krueger
Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
I'll just chalk it up as another example of your childish dissembling,
Scotty.
ScottW
2003-11-11 21:22:41 UTC
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Post by Arny Krueger
Post by ScottW
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here,
under the same conditions?
None
Post by Arny Krueger
Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
I'll just chalk it up as another example of your childish dissembling,
Scotty.
So what happened to your argument? You give Singh a pass on trashing
equipment he is totally unfamiliar with? You give him a pass on
trashing a preamp simply because it's a Yamaha? But you do give him a
pass for whipping up some simple bookshelfs and trying to retail them
for about 3x what they are worth. The same high-end ripoff you have
supposedly opposed.
What happened to you? Forget your calling in life or what?

ScottW
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 21:47:53 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by ScottW
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by trotsky
You're bitching about
me "not knowing what I'm talking about" is simply a weak defense
mechanism, because you couldn't last five minutes in an audio
conversation with me.
Trots is so knowledgeable about audio he can pass judgment on
equipment he has never heard, all he needs to know is the
country of origin. How can you compete with knowledge
like that?
And Scotty, how much audio gear have you passed judgment on here,
under the same conditions?
None
Wrong. Do I need to provide quotes from google? I researched this issue
before I made my comment.
Post by ScottW
Post by Arny Krueger
Post by ScottW
Post by Arny Krueger
Take as long as you need to answer, Scotty.
Now you're even imitating Trots. I'll bet his head is all
swollen over this.
Whatever.
Post by ScottW
Post by Arny Krueger
I'll just chalk it up as another example of your childish
dissembling, Scotty.
So what happened to your argument?
It's simple Scotty, the argument ended when you declined to give an honest
answer.
Post by ScottW
You give Singh a pass on trashing
equipment he is totally unfamiliar with?
As usual, you've got it completely backward Scotty. I pointed out that
you're as guilty of trashing gear you never heard as he is.
Post by ScottW
You give him a pass on
trashing a preamp simply because it's a Yamaha?
Again, you've got it completely backward Scotty. I pointed out that you're
as guilty of trashing gear you never heard as he is.
Post by ScottW
But you do give him a
pass for whipping up some simple bookshelfs and trying to retail them
for about 3x what they are worth.
No, I gave him a limited amount of credit for actually getting his hands
dirty and trying to build some audio gear from raw parts. Who on RAO has
done that? McKelvey has done it. I do it all the time. Singh gave it a
limited try. Who else?
Post by ScottW
The same high-end ripoff you have supposedly opposed.
I've made my share of negative comments about Singh's pricing and
substantiated my comments with real-world examples and quotes from
manufacturers.
Post by ScottW
What happened to you? Forget your calling in life or what?
I'm just holding you accountable for what you said, Scotty. No need to melt
down over it. It happens all the time.
The Stainless Steel Boob Orchestra
2003-11-11 03:51:15 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
OUCH! A hit, a palpable hit!

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trotsky
2003-11-11 13:27:35 UTC
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Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
OUCH! A hit, a palpable hit!
Spoken like a true anonymouse. Tell us about your work history,
"Devil". I can see why half your family turned out gay.
Arny Krueger
2003-11-11 13:37:46 UTC
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Post by ScottW
Don't worry about it Bruce. While you're enjoying your
hi-fi, he is selling his to pay the bills.
OUCH! A hit, a palpable hit!
Spoken like a true anonymouse. Tell us about your work history,
"Devil". I can see why half your family turned out gay.
Yup, a really brave dude. No name, no address, no job, big filthy mouth, and
red hot at making up photo-renditions of his make-believe world with
PhotoShop. A Marc Phillips/George Middius kind of guy.
trotsky
2003-11-10 19:32:43 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a shit about the facts, of course.
MiNE 109
2003-11-10 20:09:56 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a shit about the facts, of course.
I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.

Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.
trotsky
2003-11-10 20:45:09 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a shit about the facts, of course.
I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.
And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
MiNE 109
2003-11-10 22:13:02 UTC
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Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a shit about the facts, of course.
I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.
And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
talking about, but neither do you.

Go stuff a port.
George M. Middius
2003-11-10 22:24:44 UTC
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Post by trotsky
And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
You have no case for calling me a liar.
I wonder how long until Greg starts calling people "proven liars".
trotsky
2003-11-11 00:12:17 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a shit about the facts, of course.
I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.
And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
talking about, but neither do you.
Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.
MiNE 109
2003-11-11 04:10:54 UTC
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Post by MiNE 109
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Post by MiNE 109
Post by trotsky
Post by MiNE 109
Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a shit about the facts, of course.
I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.
And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
talking about, but neither do you.
Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.
And despite that you messed up by saying the generic term 'record'.
trotsky
2003-11-11 13:29:25 UTC
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Post by MiNE 109
Post by trotsky
Post by Bruce J. Richman
(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a shit about the facts, of course.
I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.
And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
talking about, but neither do you.
Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.
And despite that you messed up by saying the generic term 'record'.
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
dave weil
2003-11-11 15:06:34 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?

Right.

What's good for the goose and all that...
George M. Middius
2003-11-11 15:17:18 UTC
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And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?
What's good for the goose and all that...
I think Greg is neither goose nor gander.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-11 17:50:55 UTC
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Post by dave weil
And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?
What's good for the goose and all that...
I think Greg is neither goose nor gander.
It looks like he and Krueger are planning to to some experiments in the near
future to determine which of them will take each roll (sic).


Bruce J. Richman
trotsky
2003-11-11 15:48:34 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?
You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
of life for yourself then so be it.
dave weil
2003-11-11 16:31:55 UTC
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Post by dave weil
Post by trotsky
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?
You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
of life for yourself then so be it.
SCOrE'Re!
MiNE 109
2003-11-11 17:56:20 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by dave weil
Post by trotsky
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?
You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
of life for yourself then so be it.
SCOrE'Re!
There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
else made it.

Here's a quiz for Greg:

I'll bet you were one of those idiots who

a) rhyme ZZ Top's "Tush" with 'push'

b) refer to Sheryl Crow's "The First Cut Is The Deepest" as a 'Rod
Stewart song'

c) pronounce Kinksmen Ray and Dave's last name 'day-vees'
dave weil
2003-11-11 18:09:18 UTC
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Post by dave weil
Post by trotsky
Post by dave weil
Post by trotsky
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?
You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
of life for yourself then so be it.
SCOrE'Re!
There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
else made it.
Well, to be fair to Greg, I did once write "the Talking Heads". In
Greg's world, this is a horrible sin, even though it was probably just
a "conversational" gaffe. Frankly, I have no idea whether or not I
*never* made that gaffe when announcing their music. I certainly
wasn't perfect in my announcing duties over the years. In thousands of
on-air hours, I'm sure I said things that anal fucks like Greg could
have called me on.

Frankly, a guy who didn't even know every single little detail about
King Crimson should probably turn in their Prog Card. Especially since
ScottW kicked his butt in that regard.
MiNE 109
2003-11-11 18:28:07 UTC
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Post by MiNE 109
Post by dave weil
Post by trotsky
Post by dave weil
Post by trotsky
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?
You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
of life for yourself then so be it.
SCOrE'Re!
There's a new standard for argument: make up a mistake and bet someone
else made it.
Well, to be fair to Greg, I did once write "the Talking Heads". In
Greg's world, this is a horrible sin, even though it was probably just
a "conversational" gaffe. Frankly, I have no idea whether or not I
*never* made that gaffe when announcing their music. I certainly
wasn't perfect in my announcing duties over the years. In thousands of
on-air hours, I'm sure I said things that anal fucks like Greg could
have called me on.
Frankly, a guy who didn't even know every single little detail about
King Crimson should probably turn in their Prog Card. Especially since
ScottW kicked his butt in that regard.
It's tough to be a casual Crimson fan. I saw the relatively recent Ian
McDonald obituaries and had to do research to figure out how the guy who
wrote about Shostakovich and the Beatles (odd enough to start with) was
involved with Quiet Sun and Manzanera but not Crimson and Foreigner.

Sorry, the King Crimsons and the Foreigners.

Stephen
Sockpuppet Yustabe
2003-11-11 20:57:28 UTC
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Post by dave weil
Post by trotsky
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
And are you saying that you didn't know what album Bruce was referring
to?
You know what I bet, dave? I'll bet you were one of those idiot deejays
that *still* referred to the group Talking Heads as "the Talking Heads"
even *after* they came out with an album called "The Name of this Group
is Talking Heads". If you want to make propagation of ignorance a way
of life for yourself then so be it.
I have that album by the Talking Heads.

Have any more minutia to whine about?




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MiNE 109
2003-11-11 17:42:31 UTC
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(1) Dave Brubeck - Take Five -
No such record.
Take Five (Columbia 31769)
Okay, it's really the Dave Brubeck Quartet...
Is that a single? I'm pretty sure Bruce was referring to LPs. Not that
you much give a shit about the facts, of course.
I do care about facts, which is why I posted the catalogue number.
Speaking of caring about facts, why did you say "no such record" if you
were sure Bruce was talking about an lp? Doesn't seem very rigorous to
make a blanket statement when a specific correction is called for.
Columbia 31769 is the hit single, a different performance from the one
on the "Time Out" album.
And which one was Bruce talking about, liar?
You have no case for calling me a liar. I have no idea which Bruce was
talking about, but neither do you.
Sure, the subject line was tres confusing.
And despite that you messed up by saying the generic term 'record'.
Let's see, are you lying and saying that confused you, or are you lying
and saying you forgot to take the subject line into account? No matter
how you slice it, your straw man argument smells like a lie.
No lying involved, but there's there's no use explaining why because you
don't know what 'lying' means.

You said 'record' when the subject line said 'lp'. Did you forget to
take the subject line into account?

You've been out-pedanted.
Sockpuppet Yustabe
2003-11-10 12:49:47 UTC
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(2) Muddy Waters - Folk Singer - on Mobile Fidelity - one of the best sounding
blues records you will ever hear. Unfortunately, the high demand has driven up
the price for this, but if you hear it and want a truly great listening
experience, you might be tempted to search for a reasonably priced copy.
I actually like my Chess pressing better than my MFSL.




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John Steed
2003-11-10 16:03:45 UTC
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Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
ScottW
2003-11-11 02:13:04 UTC
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Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.

ScottW
trotsky
2003-11-11 02:26:35 UTC
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Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.
Yeah, those DBX decoders had exemplary sound quality. Or don't you bother?
ScottW
2003-11-11 02:44:18 UTC
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Post by ScottW
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Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.
Yeah, those DBX decoders had exemplary sound quality. Or don't you bother?
No, I don't bother trying to decipher your incoherrent ramblings.

ScottW
trotsky
2003-11-11 13:21:39 UTC
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Post by John Steed
Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.
Yeah, those DBX decoders had exemplary sound quality. Or don't you
bother?
No, I don't bother trying to decipher your incoherrent ramblings.
Perhaps with your system the record actually sounds better without the
DBX decoding.
ScottW
2003-11-11 21:09:18 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by trotsky
Post by ScottW
Post by John Steed
Al Stewart Year of the Cat. See if Al Stewart's lisp comes through.
Cat Stevens Tea for the Tillerman, A&M Dbx Record.
Yeah, those DBX decoders had exemplary sound quality. Or don't you
bother?
No, I don't bother trying to decipher your incoherrent ramblings.
Perhaps with your system the record actually sounds better without the
DBX decoding.
I don't think so, then it would sound like your system and you may
have a different opinion. You do have a unique opinion of good sound.

ScottW
jrhslick
2003-11-11 13:46:05 UTC
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Willie Nelson "Stardust"
Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
Bruce J. Richman
2003-11-11 17:49:28 UTC
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Willie Nelson "Stardust"
I'm sorry I forgot to mention this one. It's a great recording of standards
with extremely pleasing sonics. On Columbia JC 35305.






Bruce J. Richman
Marc Phillips
2003-11-11 19:03:41 UTC
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Willie Nelson "Stardust"
Are you talking about the MFSL version? I've heard that a couple of times over
the years, and I loved it. I went on e-Bay, however, once or twice to find
one, and decent copies were going for a lot of money. Maybe an original
pressing sounds as good, if not better?

Boon
dave weil
2003-11-11 19:27:17 UTC
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Post by jrhslick
Willie Nelson "Stardust"
Are you talking about the MFSL version? I've heard that a couple of times over
the years, and I loved it. I went on e-Bay, however, once or twice to find
one, and decent copies were going for a lot of money. Maybe an original
pressing sounds as good, if not better?
Boon
This is one of those albums (Columbia pressing - 1Cx, which I assume
is a pretty early pressing) that has sat unheard in my collection (you
might remember that I actually "inherited" a bunch of albums from an
errant roomie and this is one of them).

Wow.

Booker T. did a wonderful production job, espcecially with the
keyboards, which is a little of a surprise in the sense that the
keyboards are mixed back a little - almost perfect to my ear.

I seem to remember The Red Headed Stranger also sounding great, so I'm
going to have to pull that out and listen.

PS, I prefer the sound of Dog and Butterfly to Dreamboat Annie,
especially side 2 (side 1 has never done a lot for me songwise).
Dreamboat Annie always struck me a just a little too much of a good
thing, sonics-wise.

I should now make the requisite Hounds of Love Kate Bush reference.
Once again, side 2 is just extraordinary.
Marc Phillips
2003-11-11 21:02:05 UTC
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Willie Nelson "Stardust"
Are you talking about the MFSL version? I've heard that a couple of times
over
Post by Marc Phillips
the years, and I loved it. I went on e-Bay, however, once or twice to find
one, and decent copies were going for a lot of money. Maybe an original
pressing sounds as good, if not better?
Boon
This is one of those albums (Columbia pressing - 1Cx, which I assume
is a pretty early pressing) that has sat unheard in my collection (you
might remember that I actually "inherited" a bunch of albums from an
errant roomie and this is one of them).
Wow.
Booker T. did a wonderful production job, espcecially with the
keyboards, which is a little of a surprise in the sense that the
keyboards are mixed back a little - almost perfect to my ear.
I seem to remember The Red Headed Stranger also sounding great, so I'm
going to have to pull that out and listen.
PS, I prefer the sound of Dog and Butterfly to Dreamboat Annie,
especially side 2 (side 1 has never done a lot for me songwise).
Dreamboat Annie always struck me a just a little too much of a good
thing, sonics-wise.
I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.
Post by dave weil
I should now make the requisite Hounds of Love Kate Bush reference.
Once again, side 2 is just extraordinary.
Agreed. I have a really nice UK pressing of "The Dreaming," which I used to
use as a reference disc. It's a complex, cluttered mix, and can sound really
awful on inferior equipment. But with the right system, it's pretty awesome.

Boon
trotsky
2003-11-11 21:20:36 UTC
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Post by jrhslick
Willie Nelson "Stardust"
Are you talking about the MFSL version? I've heard that a couple of times
over
Post by Marc Phillips
the years, and I loved it. I went on e-Bay, however, once or twice to find
one, and decent copies were going for a lot of money. Maybe an original
pressing sounds as good, if not better?
Boon
This is one of those albums (Columbia pressing - 1Cx, which I assume
is a pretty early pressing) that has sat unheard in my collection (you
might remember that I actually "inherited" a bunch of albums from an
errant roomie and this is one of them).
Wow.
Booker T. did a wonderful production job, espcecially with the
keyboards, which is a little of a surprise in the sense that the
keyboards are mixed back a little - almost perfect to my ear.
I seem to remember The Red Headed Stranger also sounding great, so I'm
going to have to pull that out and listen.
PS, I prefer the sound of Dog and Butterfly to Dreamboat Annie,
especially side 2 (side 1 has never done a lot for me songwise).
Dreamboat Annie always struck me a just a little too much of a good
thing, sonics-wise.
I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.
The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
sounding records.
dave weil
2003-11-11 21:40:35 UTC
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Post by Marc Phillips
I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.
The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
sounding records.
I think that the thing that I have a problem with in terms of
Dreamboat Annie is the apparent overuse of the Aural Aphex Exciter,
which makes it sound good on the radio, but makes it sound a little
"overblown" on a good system.

However, I haven't heard it in a long time, so maybe I should go back
and reinvestigate it. I remember the impact that it made when it came
out of nowhere and I'm sure that I wore it out in the year or so after
its release.

Having just put on Little Queen, I still give the edge to Dog and
Butterfly.
dave weil
2003-11-11 22:00:00 UTC
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The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
sounding records.
"After being in Vancouver for a while, Flicker got wind that someone
was actually attempting to build a good studio in town. "The guy who
was building it basically had a broadcast studio in his mind with the
thought that someday it could also be a recording studio, but he was
building it properly. It was built halfway into a hillside, and he was
going to put some good equipment in there. Unfortunately, in midstream
he had some health problems and was forced to retire. So with help
from some investors we bought his half and then put together the first
16-track studio in Vancouver. Back then it was called Can Base Studios
[short for Canadian Base], which was the name of the investment
company. Later it became known as Mushroom Studios."

Flicker equipped the studio with an Ampex MM1000, 2-inch
16-track-"which is what we recorded Dreamboat Annie on," he says-and a
custom console "we bought in a fire sale from United Artists, when
they owned UA and Western Studios. They were putting in new
solid-state consoles and we bought one of their old tube boards from
United Studio A. That console is the guts of part of the front end of
the board that still sits in there after three or four different
reincarnations. It was a good console but only had 18 tube preamps."
The cinderblock studio room had a 20-foot ceiling, and Flicker notes
that "we were working on LEDE [Live End, Dead-End ] principles that
were popular at the time. The studio quickly became the hottest
recording room in town, and Flicker began to establish himself as a
draw to the studio as well".
Marc Phillips
2003-11-11 22:30:15 UTC
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Post by trotsky
The word I heard is that "Dreamboat Annie" was recorded in an old
recording studio in Seattle, with tube based equipment. I have no idea
if this is true or not. Both the Nautilus half-speed of "Dreamboat
Annie" and the CBS Mastersound of "Little Queen" are pretty good
sounding records.
Maybe I'll look for that CBS "Little Queen," then. Thanks!

Marc
dave weil
2003-11-11 21:31:44 UTC
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This is one of those albums (Columbia pressing - 1Cx, which I assume
is a pretty early pressing) that has sat unheard in my collection (you
might remember that I actually "inherited" a bunch of albums from an
errant roomie and this is one of them).
Wow.
Booker T. did a wonderful production job, espcecially with the
keyboards, which is a little of a surprise in the sense that the
keyboards are mixed back a little - almost perfect to my ear.
I seem to remember The Red Headed Stranger also sounding great, so I'm
going to have to pull that out and listen.
Did it and found out that Stardust is quite a bit better. If you
hadn't heard Stardust recently, it would sound extremely good. Yet,
Stardust sounds so much more natural.
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Post by dave weil
PS, I prefer the sound of Dog and Butterfly to Dreamboat Annie,
especially side 2 (side 1 has never done a lot for me songwise).
Dreamboat Annie always struck me a just a little too much of a good
thing, sonics-wise.
I haven't owned any Heart LPs for a long time, probably since I went through my
punk phase in the 80s and sold all my records that were "old school," a
decision I regret today. I always remember Little Queen as being my favorite
album, but I remember really liking the song "Dog and Butterfly." Dreamboat
Annie always sounded really good to me back then, especially "Magic Man."
Hell, "Magic Man" sounds good on my car radio.
When I inherited the large stash of LPs, I got a lot of things that I
had in my pre-punk days. You know, all of the Kansas albums - Ted
Nugent, Pat Travers, Journey, etc. Of course, I got a buttload of
half-speed mastered stuff and some choice classical stuff as well. But
i also got some things that might be considered "guilty pleasure"
stuff as well, like Heart, Loggins and Messina, etc. And I got almost
all of the Heart except for the first one, including a half-speed
mastered Little Queen, which I'm going to go put on and see if it's
worn well (I still love Barracuda <g>). Nada One/Mistral Wind are
worth the price of admission alone on Dog and Butterfly. I still like
calling side one the "Dog" side. <g>
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Post by dave weil
I should now make the requisite Hounds of Love Kate Bush reference.
Once again, side 2 is just extraordinary.
Agreed. I have a really nice UK pressing of "The Dreaming," which I used to
use as a reference disc. It's a complex, cluttered mix, and can sound really
awful on inferior equipment. But with the right system, it's pretty awesome.
I've got a nice German pressing as well as a slightly battered US
pressing. Fortunately, I just replaced my trashed version of Hounds of
Love with a mint British marbled vinyl copy, a record that I'm playing
quite sparingly, thank you very much.

The dynamics on side two of Hounds of Love is are just amazing, and,
as you say about The Dreaming, quite cluttered at times. I love
listening to it on a rainy night at 1 am.
Marc Phillips
2003-11-11 22:34:22 UTC
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Nada One/Mistral Wind are
worth the price of admission alone on Dog and Butterfly. I still like
calling side one the "Dog" side.
Actually, I think "Nada One/Mistral Wind" is the song I'm talking about,
instead of "Dog and Butterfly." Is that the long, almost epic-length song that
starts out all quiet and pretty and then turns into a balls-out rocker?

Boon

Todd LaRoc
2003-11-11 20:10:40 UTC
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Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
Dude,

That's a great record. If you want to hear something that'll really
knock the socks of your ass, check out BACK IN BLACK on vinyl. I'm
tellin' you, it'll blow you away. If you want crunch, look no further.

Rock On,

Todd LaRoc
http://profiles.yahoo.com/toddlaroc
MiNE 109
2003-11-11 20:17:57 UTC
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Post by BrianEWilliams
I recently setup my LP playback system after a long break, and I have
really been enjoying listening to it. I notice a VAST difference in
the sound quality of various LP's, and I am interested in suggestions
for some good sounding LP's. I may end up trying to buy some of these
from Ebay, and I would really appreciate input. FWIW, I am mostly
interested in popular vocal music with a strong emotional quality.
My own nomination for the best sounding LP is Heart's first album.
WOW! Everytime I listen to it, I end up somewhere a million miles
away. Not sure how they did it, but the band, producer, and engineers
really deserve a pat on the back.
Dude,
That's a great record. If you want to hear something that'll really
knock the socks of your ass, check out BACK IN BLACK on vinyl. I'm
tellin' you, it'll blow you away. If you want crunch, look no further.
There's a new release. Anyone heard it?

Stephen
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